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DTeacher said:
[QUOTE="Tom_mcfc, post: 11316218, member: 330")

...when we foul the ref will give the free kick....
...what I was trying to say in my first post is how many Fernandinho gets away with...
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Make your mind up, Tom. :)[/QUOTE]

Gets away with a few fouls before being booked. Sometimes gets away with fouls completely but largely when we foul a team they will get a free kick.
 
creditunionhero said:
Do try and keep up you sais
" I don't even think we are getting away with anything, when we foul the ref will give the free kick, what I was trying to say in my first post is how many Fernandinho gets away with,"
So if we aren,t getting away with anything why are other players??
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The poster said we are getting away with nothing after allegations that we do, I was agreeing saying I don't think we are getting away with stuff i.e dirty tactics etc. We aren't doing anything wrong or cheating is what I mean by that comment.
 
Tom_mcfc said:
Again you are pedalling stats when it suits. I haven't bought into anything, I watch a game and judge I don't go home and check numbers, that's just odd. Ok then the stats suggest we foul more than the other team will you accept them stats then? No course you wont because it doesn't support your view.
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Don't know what you're talking about. My point, an argument I've formed by watching the games is we're not 'getting away' with anything as Neville has suggested. I feel we are harshly punished in terms of fouls for and against. This is my opinion from watching the games, it just so happens that the statistics back this up.

We commit the least amount of fouls in the division, we are also awarded the least fouls in the division. We have a very high bookings to foul ratio. So it's excatly the opposite of 'getting away' with it. Neville said Fernandinho must commit "400 fouls per game but doesn't get booked because he's nice" or words to that effect. When Fernandinho actually commits very few fouls. A whopping 17 in 11 games.

Just admit Youve bought into the myth, to Neville, Mourinho's pathetically transparent 'mind games'.

There is no basis whatsoever for this narrative.
 
schfc6 said:
Don't know what you're talking about. My point, an argument I've formed by watching the games is we're not 'getting away' with anything as Neville has suggested. I feel we are harshly punished in terms of fouls for and against. This is my opinion from watching the games, it just so happens that the statistics back this up.

We commit the least amount of fouls in the division, we are also awarded the least fouls in the division. We have a very high bookings to foul ratio. So it's excatly the opposite of 'getting away' with it. Neville said Fernandinho must commit "400 fouls per game but doesn't get booked because he's nice" or words to that effect. When Fernandinho actually commits very few fouls. A whopping 17 in 11 games.

Just admit Youve bought into the myth, to Neville, Mourinho's pathetically transparent 'mind games'.

There is no basis whatsoever for this narrative.
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I agree we aren't getting away with anything drastic. So I will say again to support your post that Fernandinho doesn't commit many fouls you run to stats, these stats are 100% accurate and black and white because it backs you up yes? Ok then why do you not accept stats which suggest we give a lot of fouls away in relation to how much we have the ball?That's when you blame the ref and muddy the waters and not make it as black and white as you want it to support your other argument. There are other factors with Fernandinho which would suggest he has committed more fouls than the 17 suggest. If a ref plays on the foul is never given nor noted. He could foul and the ref simply not give it, stats tell a small portion of most stories. From watching him and not getting hard over numbers afterwards he tends to get away with 2/3 more fouls before a booking over other players. He didn't get booked at Anfield, that was absolutely crazy yet I think in that game (might have been a different one) Bernardo was booked for his first foul. This isn't just Fernandinho, this isn't me believing fucking Neville, this seems to be a defensive midfielder thing which players at other clubs have too.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Apparantly Alexis Sanchez's £300k + £200k in add-ons is causing Utd all sorts of problems trying to tie down other Utd players to new deals. What a surprise.
Stories in Express, Star, Mirror and other raggie news outlets.
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And all because they panicked and shit themselves about City getting him. Now this daft decision to pay ridiculous
wages is starting to bite them on the arse, and has created two massive problems, the first being Sanchez has turned to shit,
and the supposed best goalkeeper in the world, with so far only one clean sheet, with another half right forward,
are now expecting the same.
It just doesn't get better than this.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
And all because they panicked and shit themselves about City getting him. Now this daft decision to pay ridiculous
wages is starting to bite them on the arse, and has created two massive problems, the first being Sanchez has turned to shit,
and the supposed best goalkeeper in the world, with so far only one clean sheet, with another half right forward,
are now expecting the same.
It just doesn't get better than this.
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The few people I know who are rags don't want to talk about football now, their flags and shirts have hit the back of the wardrobe or have undergone the walk of shame to the attics where memories belong.
Money is ruining football you see, they almost all believe it to a man.
 
Had almost forgotten the park the bus song until I heard it on the broadcast yesterday, looking forward to hearing that throughout next Sunday :)
 
Tom_mcfc said:
I agree we aren't getting away with anything drastic. So I will say again to support your post that Fernandinho doesn't commit many fouls you run to stats, these stats are 100% accurate and black and white because it backs you up yes? Ok then why do you not accept stats which suggest we give a lot of fouls away in relation to how much we have the ball?That's when you blame the ref and muddy the waters and not make it as black and white as you want it to support your other argument. There are other factors with Fernandinho which would suggest he has committed more fouls than the 17 suggest. If a ref plays on the foul is never given nor noted. He could foul and the ref simply not give it, stats tell a small portion of most stories. From watching him and not getting hard over numbers afterwards he tends to get away with 2/3 more fouls before a booking over other players. He didn't get booked at Anfield, that was absolutely crazy yet I think in that game (might have been a different one) Bernardo was booked for his first foul. This isn't just Fernandinho, this isn't me believing fucking Neville, this seems to be a defensive midfielder thing which players at other clubs have too.
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I haven’t ‘ran to stats’ they just back me up. Just one of those facts.


We do commit fouls, we get punished for them. Making the narrative that we are ‘getting away with’ anything redundant.

With regards to the ref playing on, not sure if you’re being serious or not. Maybe just a total lack of understanding. If Fernandinho was committing these tactical fouls to halt play, yet play was waved on, well that would just be totally redundant wouldn’t it? This is simply not happening. Stats or no stats.

I watch him just the same as you, every week. I think he’s the best I’ve ever seen at nipping in and winning the ball cleanly. I don’t think he commits anywhere near the fouls you’ve frankly dreamt up.
It just so happens hardon or not, the stats suggest I’m correct in my first hand observations.

It’s a bizarre narrative cooked up by Mourinho. Neville has either jumped on the bandwagon or in yet another blindingly obvious attempt to appear one step ahead in his punditry, something he’s fairly shit at.

The seed has been planted. It doesn’t matter if it’s utter bollocks, it’s now been heavily discussed and at the forefront of any discussion regards City.
 
Inter Me Nan said:
Taking my ball home it's not fair...

Something needs to be done about them.

I'm not sure what, but there needs to be intervention. They cannot be allowed to wield this much of a financial advantage over other clubs, it's destroying the competitive nature of the league.

It's an absolute farce and purely down to the lottery of oil money, imo it makes a mockery of the entire league.
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I don't get all this indignation from United and Liverpool fans. After all, this team still has some way to go before it can be classed as a 'great' team, and less than a month ago we were ranked as only the third best Premier League team in history. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45759826.
 
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schfc6 said:
I haven’t ‘ran to stats’ they just back me up. Just one of those facts.


We do commit fouls, we get punished for them. Making the narrative that we are ‘getting away with’ anything redundant.

With regards to the ref playing on, not sure if you’re being serious or not. Maybe just a total lack of understanding. If Fernandinho was committing these tactical fouls to halt play, yet play was waved on, well that would just be totally redundant wouldn’t it? This is simply not happening. Stats or no stats.

I watch him just the same as you, every week. I think he’s the best I’ve ever seen at nipping in and winning the ball cleanly. I don’t think he commits anywhere near the fouls you’ve frankly dreamt up.
It just so happens hardon or not, the stats suggest I’m correct in my first hand observations.

It’s a bizarre narrative cooked up by Mourinho. Neville has either jumped on the bandwagon or in yet another blindingly obvious attempt to appear one step ahead in his punditry, something he’s fairly shit at.

The seed has been planted. It doesn’t matter if it’s utter bollocks, it’s now been heavily discussed and at the forefront of any discussion regards City.
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You are confusing my points with those of Neville and whoever in the media. I am not agreeing with them my point was why other fans (from talking to them) get annoyed when some players commit fouls without punishment. I will say once more we don't get away with anything because there isn't anything dirty or underhand to get away with. Care to answer why you use and accept stats that back you up? So you agree that we must be a dirty team because we give a lot of fouls away despite having most of the ball because the stats say so? Something tells me you wont agree with that. Now you are saying he has never committed a foul and the refs waved play on. Crazy. Fernandinho would be a shit centre mid if he didn't commit the tackles and fouls he does. It is part of his game, to claim he doesn't do that is madness but if your head is too deep in numbers and stats you probably wouldn't notice it. You say the seed has been planted and is utter bollocks, someone else would argue the stats prove that isn't bollocks and we do in fact commit fouls and stop attacks. STATS I tell you!

Stats so far this season would suggest Glenn Murray and Morata are evenly matched.
 
All this shit aimed at us, mostly by keyboard warriors who I will wager have never set foot in old toilet, let alone any other football ground, just smacks of the school bully getting battered then complaining that things ain’t what they used to be, it’s actually fuckin hilarious :-))
 
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The journos are just happy they get a nice meal at City.

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Still waiting for this story to properly blow up though. You'd think this was a powder keg, yet no one seems really interested...

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City have an excellent relationship with lots of journalists who either don't cover this stuff (either when it unfolded or now); or have been briefed that there's nothing to see here and City are victims in all this.

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This rag is taking bitterness to new level. Oh the poor thing, desperate isn't the word.
 
Tom_mcfc said:
You are confusing my points with those of Neville and whoever in the media. I am not agreeing with them my point was why other fans (from talking to them) get annoyed when some players commit fouls without punishment. I will say once more we don't get away with anything because there isn't anything dirty or underhand to get away with. Care to answer why you use and accept stats that back you up? So you agree that we must be a dirty team because we give a lot of fouls away despite having most of the ball because the stats say so? Something tells me you wont agree with that. Now you are saying he has never committed a foul and the refs waved play on. Crazy. Fernandinho would be a shit centre mid if he didn't commit the tackles and fouls he does. It is part of his game, to claim he doesn't do that is madness but if your head is too deep in numbers and stats you probably wouldn't notice it. You say the seed has been planted and is utter bollocks, someone else would argue the stats prove that isn't bollocks and we do in fact commit fouls and stop attacks. STATS I tell you!

Stats so far this season would suggest Glenn Murray and Morata are evenly matched.
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Tom_mcfc said:
You are confusing my points with those of Neville and whoever in the media. I am not agreeing with them my point was why other fans (from talking to them) get annoyed when some players commit fouls without punishment. I will say once more we don't get away with anything because there isn't anything dirty or underhand to get away with. Care to answer why you use and accept stats that back you up? So you agree that we must be a dirty team because we give a lot of fouls away despite having most of the ball because the stats say so? Something tells me you wont agree with that. Now you are saying he has never committed a foul and the refs waved play on. Crazy. Fernandinho would be a shit centre mid if he didn't commit the tackles and fouls he does. It is part of his game, to claim he doesn't do that is madness but if your head is too deep in numbers and stats you probably wouldn't notice it. You say the seed has been planted and is utter bollocks, someone else would argue the stats prove that isn't bollocks and we do in fact commit fouls and stop attacks. STATS I tell you!

Stats so far this season would suggest Glenn Murray and Morata are evenly matched.
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Dear God, one stat would say Morata & Murray evenly matched.
It’s another daft thing to say.

We foul the least in the whole league. I witness this with my own eyes & the stats back me up. Again.
Chelsea, another team with a similar style and mentality are around even with us.
We foul no more frequently than other sides who have similar possession stats. Namely Chelsea & Liverpool.

Fernandinho doesn’t commit that many fouls. It’s simply another myth.
1.45 per game over the last 4 seasons.
Including 11 games this season.

On average 6 yellows per season over the last 3 full seasons.
This is a statistical fact.


As for the play on fouls against Fernandinho, you’re so desperate to be right, you can’t see how daft that point is.

Just rewatching the game now on the NBC coverage, Dixon has just mentioned our tactical fouling, so Mourinho, Neville & Hughes, MOTD, Talksport are all now running with the dark arts & tactical fouling, it’s frankly bollocks & statistics proven as such.

You’re obviously just a little gullible and have fallen for such a narrative.

It’s a blindingly obvious attempt to influence, first by Mourinho & now by United’s offial tv mouth piece on live tv.
Hopefully the officials aren’t as gullible as you, Dixon & Hughes et al.
 
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