Today's shooting in America thread

The Yanks are clearly a uncompassionate nation who are willing to let they’re own men, women and children be killed using devices that have no reason to be legal. Their issue gets worse and worse yet they haven’t made a single serious step to do anything about it.

Let Trump build the wall and keep them separate for the rest of the world’s benefit. It’s utterly terrifying that such a bunch of violent people have the most nukes, the most powerful army, navy, airforce etc. They’re desensitised to killing their own people so think of the terrible damage they could do to the world if they take offence to another countries sabre rattling..
 
bluethrunthru said:
The shooter in todays events identified as a 28 year old former Marine called Ian David Long - no tweet from Trump yet? The shooter is probably too white and not Muslim enough for him to rage about though.
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You’re an utter fucking loon.

Every single post is the same shit.
 
crooky said:
The Yanks are clearly a uncompassionate nation who are willing to let they’re own men, women and children be killed using devices that have no reason to be legal. Their issue gets worse and worse yet they haven’t made a single serious step to do anything about it.

Let Trump build the wall and keep them separate for the rest of the world’s benefit. It’s utterly terrifying that such a bunch of violent people have the most nukes, the most powerful army, navy, airforce etc. They’re desensitised to killing their own people so think of the terrible damage they could do to the world if they take offence to another countries sabre rattling..
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Your post isn't unwarranted. Yet it paints too simplistic a picture.

In fact the majority of Americans are in favor of stronger gun control laws. But the NRA is extremely astute at politics and is able to sway enough voters to swamp out the less energized majority.

But the majority opposed to the current state of gun laws is growing. Within the decade I expect to see wholesale changes to gun ownership laws in the states.
 
blueinsa said:
You’re an utter fucking loon.

Every single post is the same shit.
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And yet on the mark.

To the extent that Trump shows sympathy, his antidote will be, of course, increased gun ownership. If only those getting drunk in the bar were all armed with assault rifles, this tragedy could have been avoided!

Meanwhile, victims of the attack can rest easy - the "thoughts and prayers" of the NRA are with them.
 
CityInWashingtonState said:
But it is the NRA nutters who are blocking progress on this issue. Gun control advocates by-in-large do not want to outlaw gun ownership. Rather, they wish to enforce responsible gun ownership.

Mandatory background checks for gun ownership; outlawing assault rifles; outlawing high capacity magazines; outlawing devices capable of turning guns effectively into assault rifles (bump stocks); promoting research into gun safety innovations of various sorts designed to make unauthorized use of guns more difficult.

You don't need a hand grenade to protect your home; ownership of live grenades posses a public safety issue far larger than the benefit of making these devices legal.

Along the same lines, you don't need an assault rifle for home protection/hunting.
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Don't disagree with any of that mate, I'm merely making the point that the majority of Americans right now (I guess that's debatable but it's pretty close) are happy with the existing gun laws. It's not just a small group of radical nutters who are resisting the change that 300m Americans want. 300m American don't want it changed.

I've worded that badly. What I mean is there are not 300m Americans who want it changed.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Don't disagree with any of that mate, I'm merely making the point that the majority of Americans right now (I guess that's debatable but it's pretty close) are happy with the existing gun laws. It's not just a small group of radical nutters who are resisting the change that 300m Americans want. 300m American don't want it changed.
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>> I'm merely making the point that the majority of Americans right now (I guess that's debatable but it's pretty close) are happy with the existing gun laws.
But that's my point - the majority are not happy with this.

What is true, is that the majority isn't overwhelmingly larger than the pro-gun crowd, and isn't sufficiently motivated to overcome the highly energized minority.

And it's not even a pro-gun versus anti-gun issue really. The NRA has been extremely successful framing the issue along these lines.

What is really at issue is responsible gun ownership - and even most of the so-called "pro-gun" advocates - would be in favor of reasonable changes to existing laws to improve safety (e.g., background checks).

What's thwarting change is political maneuvering on the part of the NRA to confuse the issue to the point where it seems that voting in favor of any gun-control law is only the first step towards outright ban of guns entirely. Which isn't so at all.

Gun ownership is protected by the constitution and will be legal for the foreseeable future.

Given that - what Americans need to do, is make gun ownership as safe as possible without undue burden on gun owners.

>> I've worded that badly. What I mean is there are not 300m Americans who want it changed.
Well, the entire population in the USA is only 325m or so. So on that point, I totally agree.
 
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Chippy_boy said:
Don't disagree with any of that mate, I'm merely making the point that the majority of Americans right now (I guess that's debatable but it's pretty close) are happy with the existing gun laws. It's not just a small group of radical nutters who are resisting the change that 300m Americans want. 300m American don't want it changed.

I've worded that badly. What I mean is there are not 300m Americans who want it changed.
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The majority of Americans couldn't tell you thing one about gun laws because the majority don't own guns :)
 
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