With all the money still swirling around the prem I doubt the clubs would vote not to continue with the £30 cap.
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With all the money still swirling around the prem I doubt the clubs would vote not to continue with the £30 cap.
squirtyflower
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I’m not sure they voted for it in the first place, i think it was imposedWith all the money still swirling around the prem I doubt the clubs would vote not to continue with the £30 cap.
That may be the case, so it needs stricter control, not ballots.
I know people who I’ve been friends with for over 25 years who go to the odd game yet are still able to get tickets for the ‘big’ games. Why’s that? Because every week their tickets are sold through their branch.
I take it by "through their branch" you mean sold by the holder to someone who happens to be a member of the same branch, in a completely private transaction? As a member of a supporters club we (a) get a very small allocation of tickets in relation to the number we apply for (approx 20% I'd say on average) which then go in a ballot and (b) it's made absolutely clear that if you can apply with your own points, do so but, if you obtain a ticket through the club it's not transferable under any circumstances. Again, it's my understanding that City will come down heavily on any supporter and/or supporters club breaching those rules, unless you're telling me something different happens at other clubs.
gingerprince
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Change can be difficult to both accept and implement in life in general so I'm sure it's no different at Manchester City
I don't have a vested interest in the away ticket priority process. However, reading thru this thread and others historically
it's a tough discussion, that usually ends up with responses something like, Swansea away went to general sale or it is
impossible to defend a change in process that could possibly deny persons who have been to nearly every away for long
time an away ticket.
However, I have noted on the forum that many have said the club now allows a higher % away tickets to be purchased by
both I think the new tunnel club and previously by Joe's and or others? This change has been implemented by the club. It
will of course mean a number of loyal season ticket holders with far more points than I will ever have, will then of course
not get a ticket for some away games than they would have.I'm not saying this is right or wrong but it's significant change.
Therefore if the Club feel it needs to implement this major change with the resultant negative impact on those affected by
it, then those not impacted by that change, cannot say the current process cannot be changed to impact them negatively?
I repeat I have no vested interest.
There are lots of season ticket holders who over the years, in their view, have been impacted negatively over changes that
have been implemented by the club.
I just hope that the people who want to be involved in reviewing this process and any other, truly believe that they can step
back to clean sheet process & once all parties have had their views taken into account, be strong enough to make change,
if they believe it necessary, for a positive future
I don't have a vested interest in the away ticket priority process. However, reading thru this thread and others historically
it's a tough discussion, that usually ends up with responses something like, Swansea away went to general sale or it is
impossible to defend a change in process that could possibly deny persons who have been to nearly every away for long
time an away ticket.
However, I have noted on the forum that many have said the club now allows a higher % away tickets to be purchased by
both I think the new tunnel club and previously by Joe's and or others? This change has been implemented by the club. It
will of course mean a number of loyal season ticket holders with far more points than I will ever have, will then of course
not get a ticket for some away games than they would have.I'm not saying this is right or wrong but it's significant change.
Therefore if the Club feel it needs to implement this major change with the resultant negative impact on those affected by
it, then those not impacted by that change, cannot say the current process cannot be changed to impact them negatively?
I repeat I have no vested interest.
There are lots of season ticket holders who over the years, in their view, have been impacted negatively over changes that
have been implemented by the club.
I just hope that the people who want to be involved in reviewing this process and any other, truly believe that they can step
back to clean sheet process & once all parties have had their views taken into account, be strong enough to make change,
if they believe it necessary, for a positive future
squirtyflower
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And what i said earlier was that people who have the points should apply directly for the tickets.I take it by "through their branch" you mean sold by the holder to someone who happens to be a member of the same branch, in a completely private transaction? As a member of a supporters club we (a) get a very small allocation of tickets in relation to the number we apply for (approx 20% I'd say on average) which then go in a ballot and (b) it's made absolutely clear that if you can apply with your own points, do so but, if you obtain a ticket through the club it's not transferable under any circumstances. Again, it's my understanding that City will come down heavily on any supporter and/or supporters club breaching those rules, unless you're telling me something different happens at other clubs.
The allocation for all the Supporters Clubs (if they are put to a ballot) may as well be stopped and given to an allocation that is an open ballot for everyone.
I’m not sure they voted for it in the first place, i think it was imposed
Apparently there was a vote
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...-to-cap-away-tickets-to-30-for-next-three-se/
squirtyflower
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Didn’t we vote against?Apparently there was a vote
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...-to-cap-away-tickets-to-30-for-next-three-se/
Didn’t we vote against?
That report says that it was a unanimous vote in favour, although I'm also sure that we were against it, but maybe like Arsenal we had other ideas instead.
GortonBlue62
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You always bang on about younger fans, but its not only them. As I posted earlier, I was able to get a ticket for pretty much all the away games about 5 years ago, my only away game last year was in Ukraine (and a great time was had).
Despite being eligible for most away games, I often couldn't go because I work shifts and weekends, I also live a long way from Manchester, and every home game is like an away game for me, and so I prioritise those as a season card holder. I've done all the distant away games over the years, but because I could only ever manage 7 or 8 away games a season (and most home games), I fell back points wise each season, and about 5 years ago, it became difficult to get tickets, I then dropped platinum as it wasn't worth the extra £50 as my point got further and further behind the top ones.
I'm now luckily at a position in life where I could do most home and away games (financially and work wise), but only occasionally are my points good enough for away games. My lad is 28 (so part of your younger fans, and he's done the hard years since he was about 7 or 8), and just down to having platinum he's passed my points total, but we go together, so he can get some away tickets now but I can't, and so he's also not going as often.
Something needs to change to benefit ALL groups, not just one or another group, and like PB says those who go everywhere should continue to be the first priority, but we need a system that doesn't allow some fans to buy tickets with no intention of ever going to most, but just keeping their points total artificially high so they can pick and choose the top games, and just sell on to others the ones they're not arsed going too.
No idea what that system looks like, but hopefully we can find some compromise somehow, but for ALL groups not just yours.
You've basically explained why you don't qualify any more for tickets for the big away games.
I haven't missed a home game since 1976 and I typically do almost all domestic away games.
Perhaps the club could implement a system in which you have my ticket.
And what i said earlier was that people who have the points should apply directly for the tickets.
The allocation for all the Supporters Clubs (if they are put to a ballot) may as well be stopped and given to an allocation that is an open ballot for everyone.
It's an emotive subject supporters clubs and tickets, obviously at our club you are only in a ballot if you've applied to the club for a ticket and then the club have to inform City who the tickets are allocated to and their supporter number. Again I would reiterate that if there's any hint of transferring tickets City will impose a ban on that club applying for tickets. On balance, I'd probably be in favour of dispensing with supporters club allocations but I understand the contribution they made in the days when tickets weren't in the same demand as now and why others may not agree.
squirtyflower
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Fair response mateIt's an emotive subject supporters clubs and tickets, obviously at our club you are only in a ballot if you've applied to the club for a ticket and then the club have to inform City who the tickets are allocated to and their supporter number. Again I would reiterate that if there's any hint of transferring tickets City will impose a ban on that club applying for tickets. On balance, I'd probably be in favour of dispensing with supporters club allocations but I understand the contribution they made in the days when tickets weren't in the same demand as now and why others may not agree.
Whatever the future holds some people aren’t going to be happy.
Alex - Not City Matters
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I agree, a ballot is illogical.That may be the case, so it needs stricter control, not ballots.
I know people who I’ve been friends with for over 25 years who go to the odd game yet are still able to get tickets for the ‘big’ games. Why’s that? Because every week their tickets are sold through their branch.
So the hard core, of about a thousand or less (I think it’s more like 500), follow City up and down the country, and abroad, to the unglamorous games but have to go into a ballot for the big games with people who haven’t gone up to the unglamorous games?
No, perhaps I explained it badly. I am saying we all want tickets for the Rags or Dippers and some moan about those fans on 20k+ points always getting those tickets. If these people want to increase their points they could have gone to Bristol or quite a few others that went very low or open sale, (Cardiff a nd Spurs away this season) I was trying to stick up for the twenty kayers ! They have done the hard graft pre 2011/12 and should not now be subject to a lottery.
squirtyflower
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Fair enough mate.No, perhaps I explained it badly. I am saying we all want tickets for the Rags or Dippers and some moan about those fans on 20k+ points always getting those tickets. If these people want to increase their points they could have gone to Bristol or quite a few others that went very low or open sale, (Cardiff away this season) I was trying to stick up for the twenty kayers ! They have done the hard graft pre 2011/12 and should not now be subject to a lottery.
You in Lyon?
cleavers
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Good for you, and i've no interest in taking your ticket.I haven't missed a home game since 1976 and I typically do almost all domestic away games.
Perhaps the club could implement a system in which you have my ticket.
Fair enough mate.
You in Lyon?
Oh yes. via Amdam out and Paris back ! I love my euro aways !!
Fame Monster
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No, perhaps I explained it badly. I am saying we all want tickets for the Rags or Dippers and some moan about those fans on 20k+ points always getting those tickets. If these people want to increase their points they could have gone to Bristol or quite a few others that went very low or open sale, (Cardiff a nd Spurs away this season) I was trying to stick up for the twenty kayers ! They have done the hard graft pre 2011/12 and should not now be subject to a lottery.
What about the people too young to have done the hard graft prior to 11/12? What about the City fans who weren’t even born prior to 11/12? They get the opportunity to go to 3 or 4 out of 25 away games a season and even when they do go, they still lose ground over the course of the season if those ahead of them are buying up all the tickets, often to sell on to the younger fans who do want to go but can’t due to the loyalty point system. Just like FFP, it’s a closed shop and the present system favours a small minority and makes it nigh on impossible for those of a certain age to go because the drawbridge has already been pulled up.
Fame Monster
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I agree, a ballot is illogical.
Just because it isn’t as beneficial to you as the current system doesn’t make it illogical.
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What about the people too young to have done the hard graft prior to 11/12? What about the City fans who weren’t even born prior to 11/12? They get the opportunity to go to 3 or 4 out of 25 away games a season and even when they do go, they still lose ground over the course of the season if those ahead of them are buying up all the tickets, often to sell on to the younger fans who do want to go but can’t due to the loyalty point system. Just like FFP, it’s a closed shop and the present system favours a small minority and makes it nigh on impossible for those of a certain age to go because the drawbridge has already been pulled up.
Anyone who is even slighty interested in City could have got tickets for Spurs this season, Cardiff went to very low points, there's 80 if you are on Platignum (which is another arguement altogether.) Bristol City away, a semi final went to open sale !! Some, not all, don't want to travel to the far away matches especially when it is on TV but moan when they can't get Liverpool away. Every League Cup and Champs League at home is open sale to fans. So points can be built up if you put some miles in or go to less popular matches. I accept that some ticketholders on high points buy them just sell them on but does that mean that fans who have been there week in week out should suffer ? Newcastle away last season, a shit January night, midweek and on tele, but they still went. There is no easy answer but to penalise someone who was going to shit games under Pearce is wrong.
Footnote. I am on 14,300 pts. so not looking to do a FFP from the inside.