Etihad Campus, Stadium and Collar Site Development Thread

As bad as the atmosphere was today I could still hear 115/116 etc singing. Less audible was the corners. Have we really got the numbers of fans who are willing to transfer to a new home end in the North Stand. My educated guess is the high minority would prefer to be situated next to the away fans where they currently are. Thus rendering any potential mass exodus to the North Stand completely irrelevant. My intention is to write to the Club as it appears that supporters with the best intentions are sounding out the Club with their ideas that are totally out of context with what the vast majority of other supporters wishes are. Where is the representation of people who currently sit in the North Stand on these Fans Forums, if that's what the Club calls meaningful consultation then its not on. I can tell you that everyone I spoke to today about this was absolutely furious and I've promised them an update as to what the Clubs response is to me. Once we have the response if it isn't the one we want you can expect a coordinated action from many in the North Stand.
 
mostonbluemark said:
As bad as the atmosphere was today I could still hear 115/116 etc singing. Less audible was the corners. Have we really got the numbers of fans who are willing to transfer to a new home end in the North Stand. My educated guess is the high minority would prefer to be situated next to the away fans where they currently are. Thus rendering any potential mass exodus to the North Stand completely irrelevant. My intention is to write to the Club as it appears that supporters with the best intentions are sounding out the Club with their ideas that are totally out of context with what the vast majority of other supporters wishes are. Where is the representation of people who currently sit in the North Stand on these Fans Forums, if that's what the Club calls meaningful consultation then its not on. I can tell you that everyone I spoke to today about this was absolutely furious and I've promised them an update as to what the Clubs response is to me. Once we have the response if it isn't the one we want you can expect a coordinated action from many in the North Stand.
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Not sure what you're saying.. My guess is you're in the N Stand at present and you object to the proposed developments? If you are and you do, then how do you envisage a 63k stadium happening?
 
worsleyweb said:
Second half was ok!
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I agree. Didn’t think there was much wrong with atmosphere tbf.

We sit in 101 and you can clearly hear the singing albeit it’s usually in response to songs started in the south stand. The thing is, everyone enjoys the game differently. We sit next to two elderly ladies that have been coming to games for decades. They don’t sing, but you should see them hug each other when we score. The two old boys in front of us you never hear a word out of them but by god they love City. I think in general there is a far greater buzz around the place than in the Pellegrini years. We will never get a cauldron of emotion for a game like today but then no other team gets it either.

I don’t want to jump up and down, kangarooing like the 20 year old PSG fans. Our atmosphere is genuine and I like it that way.
 
mostonbluemark said:
As bad as the atmosphere was today I could still hear 115/116 etc singing. Less audible was the corners. Have we really got the numbers of fans who are willing to transfer to a new home end in the North Stand. My educated guess is the high minority would prefer to be situated next to the away fans where they currently are. Thus rendering any potential mass exodus to the North Stand completely irrelevant. My intention is to write to the Club as it appears that supporters with the best intentions are sounding out the Club with their ideas that are totally out of context with what the vast majority of other supporters wishes are. Where is the representation of people who currently sit in the North Stand on these Fans Forums, if that's what the Club calls meaningful consultation then its not on. I can tell you that everyone I spoke to today about this was absolutely furious and I've promised them an update as to what the Clubs response is to me. Once we have the response if it isn't the one we want you can expect a coordinated action from many in the North Stand.
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Hahahahahahahahah

Everything wrong with the club and modern day football.

Our atmosphere is shit and we’re stuck with a ginormous family stand behind the goal where absolutely loads of the people in it don’t even turn up for half the games.

It was a poorly thought out idea in the first place and it’s now time to correct it. I say all this as someone who was in the family Stand from age 7-16 myself.

People can’t stand in the way of progress and development all because ‘they like their seat’. Now is the time to move forward and create a layout that will benefit the atmosphere, stadium and club in the wrong run. If that means pissing off a few precious soft arses and their first world problems then so be it.
 
mostonbluemark said:
As bad as the atmosphere was today I could still hear 115/116 etc singing. Less audible was the corners. Have we really got the numbers of fans who are willing to transfer to a new home end in the North Stand. My educated guess is the high minority would prefer to be situated next to the away fans where they currently are. Thus rendering any potential mass exodus to the North Stand completely irrelevant. My intention is to write to the Club as it appears that supporters with the best intentions are sounding out the Club with their ideas that are totally out of context with what the vast majority of other supporters wishes are. Where is the representation of people who currently sit in the North Stand on these Fans Forums, if that's what the Club calls meaningful consultation then its not on. I can tell you that everyone I spoke to today about this was absolutely furious and I've promised them an update as to what the Clubs response is to me. Once we have the response if it isn't the one we want you can expect a coordinated action from many in the North Stand.
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Are you sulking in case you have to move?!!
 
mostonbluemark said:
As bad as the atmosphere was today I could still hear 115/116 etc singing. Less audible was the corners. Have we really got the numbers of fans who are willing to transfer to a new home end in the North Stand. My educated guess is the high minority would prefer to be situated next to the away fans where they currently are. Thus rendering any potential mass exodus to the North Stand completely irrelevant. My intention is to write to the Club as it appears that supporters with the best intentions are sounding out the Club with their ideas that are totally out of context with what the vast majority of other supporters wishes are. Where is the representation of people who currently sit in the North Stand on these Fans Forums, if that's what the Club calls meaningful consultation then its not on. I can tell you that everyone I spoke to today about this was absolutely furious and I've promised them an update as to what the Clubs response is to me. Once we have the response if it isn't the one we want you can expect a coordinated action from many in the North Stand.
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Mark.

Is this a one Man campaign? Why are you so hell bent on trying to stop a NS expansion, and a genuine home end for City fans? Is it because you curremtly sit in the family stand and don't want to be moved, if that happens?

You have come up with the same question's and arguments on the SSC Collar and Etihad Campus thread, but under the username of *Moston Mark*. Coincidence?https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=436685&page=167

I tried to explain and to answer your concerns and question's on there.

Good luck with your letter.
 
mostonbluemark said:
As bad as the atmosphere was today I could still hear 115/116 etc singing. Less audible was the corners. Have we really got the numbers of fans who are willing to transfer to a new home end in the North Stand. My educated guess is the high minority would prefer to be situated next to the away fans where they currently are. Thus rendering any potential mass exodus to the North Stand completely irrelevant. My intention is to write to the Club as it appears that supporters with the best intentions are sounding out the Club with their ideas that are totally out of context with what the vast majority of other supporters wishes are. Where is the representation of people who currently sit in the North Stand on these Fans Forums, if that's what the Club calls meaningful consultation then its not on. I can tell you that everyone I spoke to today about this was absolutely furious and I've promised them an update as to what the Clubs response is to me. Once we have the response if it isn't the one we want you can expect a coordinated action from many in the North Stand.
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All the people turfed out of the North Stand in the first place to create the ridiculous Family Stand that’s been full three times in how ever many years it’s been going (each time we’ve lifted the Prem trophy, never been full on one other occasion at all) were also furious.

So were all the fans booted out of seats to create corporate areas.

It happens. It’s called “progress” apparently.

But what 90% of blues want is a proper vocal stand (not a block or two as an afterthought). Not once have I ever looked at SSL1 and wished I was in it, not once have I ever considered relocating my seasoncard to SSL1, not even for one game where you can do it in the Champions League. It’s a joke. It’s one block. It’s not worth being in or bothering with.

But I’ll be moving, as will all my mates who are all dotted about all over the stadium, to a proper vocal end of we get one in the expanded North Stand. I know lads who’ve stopped going to City who’d come back to stand in a proper vocal stand.
 
worsleyweb said:
Second half was ok!
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It really wasn't, it was better than the first half mortuary atmosphere, but it was only really at library level.

The problem today was we were brilliant for 5 minutes and didn't score, then we were ordinary (for us) for 15 minutes, so people settled into watch and enjoy mode, then we turned into Pellegrini's team (or worse), and 10 minutes before half time most f**ked off for a pint and a pie.

Once we retook the lead it improved a bit, but it was never very much.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
One standing space holds 1.5 people. So in a row of 20 seats there can be 30 people stood
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Yes but there is no indication that permission will be given for anything greater than one standing space per seated space. That assumes that permission is given in the first place. The rail seated area at Celtic has the same capacity when standing as when seated.

It is going to be one hell of a job to get permission to bring back standing in the first place. Clubs will obviously be wise to plan any new stands carefully so that rail seating can be retrofitted later. It would be worthwhile over providing means of entry and exit so that the capacity can be increased later if the rules are relaxed.
 
Here's a question for those that think there might be 1.5 standing fans per seat (I can't see this ever being permitted regardless of it being the case in some German stadia). How does it work based on the following:

If the NS expansion delivers 8000 seats then at a 1.5 ratio that's 12,000 standing at permitted games (league and domestic cups presumably). However for European games there would only be 8000 seated fans. Surely that means one of two things regarding ticketing:

Firstly, 8000 seated seasoncards are issued and for those fans they get all league games and first dibs for cup games. In this case, 4000 standing tickets are available for each official permitted standing game so that every two seasoncard holders will have a different person stood between them each game.

Or

No seasoncards are issued and the entire 8000 or 12,000 tickets are available match by match.
 
cleavers said:
It really wasn't, it was better than the first half mortuary atmosphere, but it was only really at library level.

The problem today was we were brilliant for 5 minutes and didn't score, then we were ordinary (for us) for 15 minutes, so people settled into watch and enjoy mode, then we turned into Pellegrini's team (or worse), and 10 minutes before half time most f**ked off for a pint and a pie.

Once we retook the lead it improved a bit, but it was never very much.
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Atmosphere has and always will be largely dictated by the size and importance of the game and the away support.

Why people are surprised a home game against a Bournemouth means the atmosphere is a bit shit i will never know?
 
blueinsa said:
Atmosphere has and always will be largely dictated by the size and importance of the game and the away support.

Why people are surprised a home game against a Bournemouth means the atmosphere is a bit shit i will never know?
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Yep always been the way, my first game in the 80’s was against Leicester and 0-0 no atmosphere moaning in that game.
 
waspish said:
Yep always been the way, my first game in the 80’s was against Leicester and 0-0 no atmosphere moaning in that game.
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Also no social media for people to moan about every little thing that they think should be different. Been going since the late 60's and while we moaned how crap the team/Steve Daley played we didn't care about the atmosphere because it was what was on the pitch that mattered. Now we're told by some has been/never was on TV that there are empty seats, the crowd is quiet and it's used as a stick to beat us with. The worst thing is the self flagulaters amongst us give it credence and seem to believe we need to do what others expect. If People want to arrive late, leave early, watch the match kick off at half time on TV while they finish there pint so f*cking what. Your dream of a singing end is a delusion as it's not in our culture now, if it ever was. Big tier safe standing won't recreate Charlton at Maine Road, because those of us that made that are old farts, dead or not going anymore. The kiddies that come just argue amongst themselves, just look at the upper tier at Wembley for that, pissed, coked, fighting or asleep. A blue wall..... Dreaming
 
mostonbluemark said:
My intention is to write to the Club as it appears that supporters with the best intentions are sounding out the Club with their ideas that are totally out of context with what the vast majority of other supporters wishes are.
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I was going to ask how you managed to speak to all 54,000 odd at the ground but I then read the next bit...

I can tell you that everyone I spoke to today about this was absolutely furious and I've promised them an update as to what the Clubs response is to me.
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So that would be the people sat either side of you then?

How do you know that people in the NS haven't been invited or asked for comments by the way?
 
blueinsa said:
Atmosphere has and always will be largely dictated by the size and importance of the game and the away support.

Why people are surprised a home game against a Bournemouth means the atmosphere is a bit shit i will never know?
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Exactly !
 
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