The Boxing thread

[DenisLawBackHeel74]

Fair fucks to fury....hopefully what he’s been through the last few years has taught him some humility

 

[Dubai Blue]

Thing is , in 20 years time people will look back and talk about the greats of Wilder, Mayweather, Joshua etc and say what a golden era it was and that none of the current crop would have a chance against those.

No one will ever look back at Deontay Wilder as a boxing "great"

 

[blueinsa]

No one will ever look back at Deontay Wilder as a boxing "great"

Or Fury, or Chisora or White etc etc etc etc.

Shocking the state of heavyweight boxing and i use the word boxing very loosely.

 

[oldius]

Or Fury, or Chisora or White etc etc etc etc.

Shocking the state of heavyweight boxing and i use the word boxing very loosely.

You can only beat what's in front of you. Mike Tyson was a destroyer, at his peak he may well have beaten anyone, but he had a poor division to rule over: Pinklon Thomas, Bonecrusher, Tony Tucker, Tim Witherspoon and David Bey to name but a few of the leaders of the division, but never the best in the history of the sport.

 

[blueinsa]

You can only beat what's in front of you. Mike Tyson was a destroyer, at his peak he may well have beaten anyone, but he had a poor division to rule over: Pinklon Thomas, Bonecrusher, Tony Tucker, Tim Witherspoon and David Bey to name but a few of the leaders of the division, but never the best in the history of the sport.

My issue with boxing, especially at this weight isn't the talent or lack of mate, its the trash talk and complete lack of integrity to be honest.

Its almost as if its in story mode right now with hand picked fights you just know will deliver fuck all in terms of real action but plenty of talking points and the obligatory rematch where they can milk punters for every last £/$ possible whilst basically never really testing or putting themselves in harms way.

I dont pretend to know a lot about boxing but these guys are taking the piss.

 

[EL APACHE TEVEZ]

Or Fury, or Chisora or White etc etc etc etc.

Shocking the state of heavyweight boxing and i use the word boxing very loosely.

Fury will because,he’s a character not many of them about in boxing anymore.

 

[BlueHammer85]

My issue with boxing, especially at this weight isn't the talent or lack of mate, its the trash talk and complete lack of integrity to be honest.

Its almost as if its in story mode right now with hand picked fights you just know will deliver fuck all in terms of real action but plenty of talking points and the obligatory rematch where they can milk punters for every last £/$ possible whilst basically never really testing or putting themselves in harms way.

I dont pretend to know a lot about boxing but these guys are taking the piss.

I get this but If you ignore all the trash talk and the pantomime build up which I do - and just watch the fights , you would have a clearer picture - we have a pool of some great boxing talents.

 

[aguero93:20]

Surprised at how well Fury fought and how nervous Wilder looked before the first knockdown. Fury probably should have got the decision but he was lucky to even see the scorecards after that second knock down. Rematch should be good.

 

[Rammy Blue]

My issue with boxing, especially at this weight isn't the talent or lack of mate, its the trash talk and complete lack of integrity to be honest.

Its almost as if its in story mode right now with hand picked fights you just know will deliver fuck all in terms of real action but plenty of talking points and the obligatory rematch where they can milk punters for every last £/$ possible whilst basically never really testing or putting themselves in harms way.

I dont pretend to know a lot about boxing but these guys are taking the piss.

I’m guessing you didn’t watch the fight, mate?

 

[aguero93:20]

AJ knocked Klitschko out !

Knocked a past it version of the less good Klitschko out and it could have gone either way.

 

[Skip Donoghue]

Fury was a clear winner, the fight went as I expected it to, Wilder has fought no one up to this point, he has no boxing ability, no footwork and looks to try and land that big looping right hand, Fury schooled him, the last knock down Wilder was dancing around thinking he’d done it, for Fury to get up like he did shows a true champion his heart must be the size of his chest
I always thought Fury to be a clown but my opinion of him changed last night, I also thought any fight with Joshua was only going one way an easy Joshua win, I’m not so sure now
Also there’s a lot of looking at earlier fighters with rose tinted specs on here, Mike Tyson for example was a fearsome fighter but some of the bums he fought in his early fights Audley Harrison would have made light work of, when he came up against a real fighter in Lewis and especially Holyfield he was found wanting, Holyfield took his heart and Lewis was just to big and skilled and Tyson was unable to cope with either

 

[Magicpole]

The most important thing is, did everybody have a lovely time?

I can’t seem to muster the desire to keep awake for fighters who would have been handed their arse’s with a decent generation of fighters.

By all accounts Fury will be furious he didn’t get the win and no doubt a rematch will happen. Good payday for Mr Furious, which is what’s it all about.

 

[Metalartin]

Fury was a clear winner, the fight went as I expected it to, Wilder has fought no one up to this point, he has no boxing ability, no footwork and looks to try and land that big looping right hand, Fury schooled him, the last knock down Wilder was dancing around thinking he’d done it, for Fury to get up like he did shows a true champion his heart must be the size of his chest
I always thought Fury to be a clown but my opinion of him changed last night, I also thought any fight with Joshua was only going one way an easy Joshua win, I’m not so sure now
Also there’s a lot of looking at earlier fighters with rose tinted specs on here, Mike Tyson for example was a fearsome fighter but some of the bums he fought in his early fights Audley Harrison would have made light work of, when he came up against a real fighter in Lewis and especially Holyfield he was found wanting, Holyfield took his heart and Lewis was just to big and skilled and Tyson was unable to cope with either

Tyson captured a generation of boxing fans and made the sport more popular so he will always have a special place, a great fighter but nowhere near the best IMO. Any fighter that needs as many excuses as Tyson fans give him and you have to ask why don't the other candidates need all the excuses? It was the trainer, it was the drugs, it was this specific passage of time where he was the best and so on and so on, that sounds like they think themselves he wasn't the best but "should of could have would have".

I was watching the Tony Tucker(1987) fight a month or so ago, which should have been prime Tyson who did win on the scorecards but Tucker gave him all the trouble he could handle, with a broken hand too and Tucker although underrated was no great by any stretch of imagination. A lot of people pick that fight out as a good measuring stick for the level he was really at in his prime.

 

[aguero93:20]

Tyson captured a generation of boxing fans and made the sport more popular so he will always have a special place, a great fighter but nowhere near the best IMO. Any fighter that needs as many excuses as Tyson fans give him and you have to ask why don't the other candidates need all the excuses? It was the trainer, it was the drugs, it was this specific passage of time where he was the best and so on and so on, that sounds like they think themselves he wasn't the best but "should of could have would have".

I was watching the Tony Tucker(1987) fight a month or so ago, which should have been prime Tyson who did win on the scorecards but Tucker gave him all the trouble he could handle, with a broken hand too and Tucker although underrated was no great by any stretch of imagination. A lot of people pick that fight out as a good measuring stick for the level he was really at in his prime.

Don't think you can reasonably say any heavyweight should be in their prime at the age of 21.

 

[EL APACHE TEVEZ]

Fury was a clear winner, the fight went as I expected it to, Wilder has fought no one up to this point, he has no boxing ability, no footwork and looks to try and land that big looping right hand, Fury schooled him, the last knock down Wilder was dancing around thinking he’d done it, for Fury to get up like he did shows a true champion his heart must be the size of his chest
I always thought Fury to be a clown but my opinion of him changed last night, I also thought any fight with Joshua was only going one way an easy Joshua win, I’m not so sure now
Also there’s a lot of looking at earlier fighters with rose tinted specs on here, Mike Tyson for example was a fearsome fighter but some of the bums he fought in his early fights Audley Harrison would have made light work of, when he came up against a real fighter in Lewis and especially Holyfield he was found wanting, Holyfield took his heart and Lewis was just to big and skilled and Tyson was unable to cope with either

Iron mike was already on the decline when he fought Lennox and evander.

 

[Metalartin]

Regarding last nights fight did anyone get the unsettling feeling that both camps were far too happy with a draw? If the next fight ends in a draw and they conveniently keep their unbeaten records in tact for future negotiations with a certain somebody that will settle it for me, hope that's not the case.

 

[Metalartin]

Don't think you can reasonably say any heavyweight should be in their prime at the age of 21.

No I don't actually, I think it's different for every fighter.

I think the notion that it has to be a certain small passage of time that we are "allowed" to compare them in is quite blinkered.

 

[aguero93:20]

Regarding last nights fight did anyone get the unsettling feeling that both camps were far too happy with a draw? If the next fight ends in a draw and they conveniently keep their unbeaten records in tact for future negotiations with a certain somebody that will settle it for me, hope that's not the case.

You have to look at it in the context of the fight imo, Fury's camp were probably just happy that they got to see the scorecards after that knockdown in the last and Wilder probably thought he'd lost when it went to points. Tbf Fury looked gutted when he heard the result.

 

[aguero93:20]

No I don't actually, I think it's different for every fighter.

It's different but 21 is way too young for any fighter. 25 at the very youngest imo.

 

[Metalartin]

It's different but 21 is way too young for any fighter. 25 at the very youngest imo.

Ah I misread what you were implying, you mean Tysons age in 1987 then? Well that's kind of what I was saying about the fans excuses that's what they pick as his prime more often than not because of the trainer and before his personal problems and so on. He lost to Douglas 3 years later.