“City Matters” fan committee

[blue b4 the moon]

The club must be hugely concerned about this. And if they're not, they certainly should be. Where's the next generation of regular match-going support going to come from?

Sadly I think the club are expecting to pick up the tourist market which is growing slowly but could pick up speed over the years.

 

[Dubai Blue]

Sadly I think the club are expecting to pick up the tourist market which is growing slowly but could pick up speed over the years.

The priority has to be to make sure those kids that are currently going with their parents continue to go once they're classed as adults. Because going to the match on a regular basis is a very easy habit to kick once you've fallen out of it, especially in your late 20s and 30s as other priorities begin to emerge.

 

[Alex - Not City Matters]

kids get tickets with qualifying adults for a limited period, always have done

That applies to Under 16s.

 

[sktooblue]

The priority has to be to make sure those kids that are currently going with their parents continue to go once they're classed as adults. Because going to the match on a regular basis is a very easy habit to kick once you've fallen out of it, especially in your late 20s and 30s as other priorities begin to emerge.

God helps us if we our future support is based on the kids currently in the family stand - their parents have taught them to make sure they are back in the car at the final whistle!!!

 

[fathellensbellend]

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it a club policy where under 14s have to be accompanied by an adult, our junior support is dictated by how many parents will take them. Also if there is less than 5k kids, of which many are located around the stadium, it is illogical to turn over a huge end to such a modest amount

 

[UUJblue]

Ill throw my 2 pence here as well.
Im 26, had a ST for 15 years (since we moved to the Etihad) and about 8200 points. Im not sure of the age demographic of the posters on here but im not York away and im not New money...im somewhere in between. I use to have platinum but since sacked it off as collecting points came as no advantage when trying to catch up with the big boys on over 10k, plus i started to pay for the ST off my parents in my 20s so ill rather have £50 to live my life at this age. Also binned all cups as these can be picked up as and when.

I have been to a handful of aways (west ham - through a SC), Arsenal (tout), Liverpool (mate), Chelsea (corporate -away end), Southampton (my points) and a few others. Its a bit of mixed bag, but all in all i generally wont even bother trying for any as they never reach my points, unless the match is at an awkward time and 100s of miles from Manchester. Plus, by then its maybe 2 weeks until the game and travel is expensive.

Like most my generation, i am on social media and use pages like the buy and sells run my blues. Even if i did travel to a game without a ticket, there are always "spares" on there...funny enough always my manchester based older man? Honestly, are they point whores or SCs? But any given Friday or Saturday AM, there is always a small supply of tickets for an away and its just luck if you can get in touch with someone. These pages have thousands of blues.

Back to the OP post on pg 13 and i think a small percentage of away for 18-25 could be a good incentive to keep the next generation in touch. Im shocked to that under 5k are in this age out of 40k! 15% to hospitality is too much. I also dont think ID checks add much value as if there was any bother, anyone can be picked up quite quickly these days.

Anyway, Keep up the good work PB and team. Nice to see City listening and hopefully positive change as we move forward.

 

[squirtyflower]

And you just want a system that makes sure you and your family get tickets every time so stop accusing others of looking after their own interests.

And why wouldn’t a father put the interests of his family first?
Rather that than pretend to represent the interest of City fans whilst feathering my own nest and protecting the interests of the Supporters Club on a fans’ forum.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

I vote @squirtyflower & @Prestwich_Blue as joint interim rag managers until the end of the season.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

And why wouldn’t a father put the interests of his family first?
Rather that than pretend to represent the interest of City fans whilst feathering my own nest and protecting the interests of the Supporters Club on a fans’ forum.

Please explain how I'm feathering my own nest? You keep saying this but the only games I've gone to are games where I've had enough points on my own card when it's gone down to my level. I've not been to the swamp for 30 years. I've not been to Anfield for about 7 or 8 years. I last got a ticket for Spurs when we lost 4-1 I think. My last visit to the Emirates was 2011. So far this season I've done Cardiff & will be at Leicester tonight.

Not only that but you were one of the people who made a powerful argument against a general ballot that I accepted and supported. That could have negatively impacted you potentially and helped me so you of all people should know that self-interest is not a factor with me. And while we've had the conversation about supporters' clubs on many occasions and we both know there are some abuses, on the whole I don't think it's a terrible system overall as it allows genuine fans to go to matches mostly.

Your ire should be directed at seasonal hospitality customers who get a far higher proportion of tickets pro rata than any other group.

 

[The blue phantom]

Please explain how I'm feathering my own nest? You keep saying this but the only games I've gone to are games where I've had enough points on my own card when it's gone down to my level. I've not been to the swamp for 30 years. I've not been to Anfield for about 7 or 8 years. I last got a ticket for Spurs when we lost 4-1 I think. My last visit to the Emirates was 2011. So far this season I've done Cardiff & will be at Leicester tonight.

Not only that but you were one of the people who made a powerful argument against a general ballot that I accepted and supported. That could have negatively impacted you potentially and helped me so you of all people should know that self-interest is not a factor with me. And while we've had the conversation about supporters' clubs on many occasions and we both know there are some abuses, on the whole I don't think it's a terrible system overall as it allows genuine fans to go to matches mostly.

Your ire should be directed at seasonal hospitality customers who get a far higher proportion of tickets pro rata than any other group.

Any chance of answering the question regarding certain supporters club offering cup final tickets even if you have no seasoncard or any sort of membership, coach loads too.? This isn't a pop at you I was generally interested if you are aware.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

From an outsiders point of view I don't think PB is "feathering his own nest" at all. He's in an impossible position of hearing all sides of the story and trying to balance them.

I'll stop short of a Teresa May comparison, but he's in a very difficult position and I appreciate what he, and others, are doing.

 

[squirtyflower]

Please explain how I'm feathering my own nest? You keep saying this but the only games I've gone to are games where I've had enough points on my own card when it's gone down to my level. I've not been to the swamp for 30 years. I've not been to Anfield for about 7 or 8 years. I last got a ticket for Spurs when we lost 4-1 I think. My last visit to the Emirates was 2011. So far this season I've done Cardiff & will be at Leicester tonight.

Not only that but you were one of the people who made a powerful argument against a general ballot that I accepted and supported. That could have negatively impacted you potentially and helped me so you of all people should know that self-interest is not a factor with me. And while we've had the conversation about supporters' clubs on many occasions and we both know there are some abuses, on the whole I don't think it's a terrible system overall as it allows genuine fans to go to matches mostly.

Your ire should be directed at seasonal hospitality customers who get a far higher proportion of tickets pro rata than any other group.

My issue surrounds the allocation of tickets to the fans, the one the fans forum was set up to listen to. Not as another mouthpiece for the Supporters Club to defend, or increase, their allocation.
Like you I was surprised that the SC allocation was 20% and the hospitality was 15%.
When enquiries were made about this several years ago the club said it was 10% for both groups.
Since then there has been an increase in corporate seats.
Both the hospitality and SC have had their allocations increased. Where do you think this has come from, as I don’t see the players giving up theirs.
As always it’s the ones with ‘no voice’ who get shafted. The ones who have gone home and away regularly, regardless of how good we were, the opposition, how far it is or what day it is.
And now, whilst I agree with the idea, they are the ones being shafted again to increase the attendance of 16-25 year olds. So from an allocation of 80% going to ticket points holders it will soon be around half. Whilst remembering that SC also have members in the ‘ticket points holders’ group, some of whom rarely go but get the tickets, points whores you call them. Except you didn’t as you posted that you think it’s ok for the SC to pass on the tickets from those who don’t go but have got tickets through their points to SC members. How is that not points whoring, by you definition?

Instead of the continual squeeze on the independent fan why not move it somewhere else. Well that won’t happen will it as ‘no one messes with the SC allocation’, apart from themselves of course.

If we want to increase 16-25 year olds who go to away games, however random that age group has been chosen, then why not do it in the following way?
The SC could give up 5% of their allocation to 16-25 year olds as a priority. The person would have to be a member of the SC (possibly boosting membership) to receive a priority ticket for their age group. It also ensures the ticket goes to the right person and not passed on to someone else. The 16-25 is known to both City and the SC for security and tracking, increases SC numbers and gets them involved with fellow match going blues.
Without something like this in place how would you stop the priority tickets being passed on to people out of that age group?

Currently the system is has shifted from independent fans over the last five years and the proposal is to shaft them even further. As some of the age group will already be in a SC and so that gives them an even bigger slice of the pie.

Looking at Bournemouth away we get 1400 tickets
70 to the players/club? No way, it will be based on requests not percentage
210 to hospitality
280 to Supporters Clubs

Leaving 840 to people on ‘ticket points’. Of which a lot of them will be in a SC who buy their ticket and pass it on if the member is not going. Which probably leaves about 400 to independent fans. Not exactly the 60% quoted.

 

[worsleyweb]

I vote @squirtyflower & @Prestwich_Blue as joint interim rag managers until the end of the season.

Still be better than giggs and hughes

 

[aguero93:20]

Still be better than giggs and hughes

No they wouldn't, they'd lose less and win more.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Where were all the “thousands” of Blues who struggle to get away tickets tonight? The reality is that we didn’t sell out our end. I guess there weren’t many Corporates today but there was a big following from the Supporters Clubs. I loved tonight’s game btw.

Why are the Supporters Club haters so opposed to ID checks?

I would like to see Corporate allocations reduced and I have no problem with the same happening for SCs also. One problem with this as a panacea for the anti supporter club brigade if that if points required went lower then the majority of people picking up tickets through their points would be SC members because of all the games they’ve been to.

 

[squirtyflower]

Where were all the “thousands” of Blues who struggle to get away tickets tonight? The reality is that we didn’t sell out our end. I guess there weren’t many Corporates today but there was a big following from the Supporters Clubs. I loved tonight’s game btw.

Why are the Supporters Club haters so opposed to ID checks?

I would like to see Corporate allocations reduced and I have no problem with the same happening for SCs also. One problem with this as a panacea for the anti supporter club brigade if that if points required went lower then the majority of people picking up tickets through their points would be SC members because of all the games they’ve been to.

First off WELL DONE.
City win a quarter final and the first thing you do is have a moan at the fans.


As I’m the one who has posted most about SC allocations I’m guessing your post was aimed at me.
However as we know one another you know I go to more games than you, so your tirade falls on deaf ears.
Previously you have posted that the SC ‘take up the slack’. Clearly not tonight though.


Who said the “Supporters Club haters are opposed to ID checks”?
More fake news from the largest group who control the distribution of tickets trying to disparage others whilst protecting their racket.



I can speak only for myself, shame you and others can’t, but the only reason I’m against ID checks is i don’t want to be treated like a corralled sheep and pushed from pillar to post to collect something I’ve paid for when I could actually be doing something useful with my spare time. (Take a look at the Celtic collection thread to see how real people feel about being treated so badly. Did you get yours in advance?). If you want that from life then crack on, just don’t expect everyone else to tug their forelock and say ‘yes master’.

If sales go to lower points and these are picked up then by Supporters club members than there’s no problem surely.
The issue is when you all know your allocation for Huddersfield, announced last Thursday, whilst the rest of the rabble can’t even buy until Monday at the earliest.
How on Earth do they already know at what point it will sell out out if you’ve already got you allocation?
Ah I know why. Because now you can work out how many you will be short of and then buy them through the ‘normal’ system like the rest of us mugs to add to your 20% already received.

 

[squirtyflower]

I have 1 spare for Tiuesday. I can meet in Leicester. Thanks

Where were all the “thousands” of Blues who struggle to get away tickets tonight? The reality is that we didn’t sell out our end. I guess there weren’t many Corporates today but there was a big following from the Supporters Clubs. I loved tonight’s game btw.

Why are the Supporters Club haters so opposed to ID checks?

I would like to see Corporate allocations reduced and I have no problem with the same happening for SCs also. One problem with this as a panacea for the anti supporter club brigade if that if points required went lower then the majority of people picking up tickets through their points would be SC members because of all the games they’ve been to.

Surely not one of your saintly SC members?
Maybe you have charged the wrong people with not turning up tonight?

 

[squirtyflower]

The ticket system thread on here is a fantastic source of material. Really annoying problems that proper match-going fans are having. I'm going to whinge till they start getting it right.

This was on the first page Colin.

And yet neither the minutes nor the Agenda reflect this issue that affects all fans who go to games?

 

[johnnytapia]

This was on the first page Colin.

And yet neither the minutes nor the Agenda reflect this issue that affects all fans who go to games?

The fans elected a representative who boycotts certain home matches. You reap what you sow...

 

[blue b4 the moon]

The fans elected a representative who boycotts certain home matches. You reap what you sow...

A monster that can't be controlled, no idea what the answer is.