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Good post. My lad too is as priveledged as you due to my points have always been able to get him a ticket via the ‘pull through’ he’s 15 with 17k points and had a season ticket since he was 3. I accept I can’t do this from next year so hoping he will be in the bracket when he qualifies in his own right for most always, be a shame and very unfair if this is snatched away by reducing the allocation to us seasoncards holders who have put the miles in.And spent f###ing thousands getting him to this stage with always being platinum on all the cup schemes. Not to mention the money virgin trains and the other rail companies have had out of me
I know platinum, cup schemes etc is not right but we were forced into this by city so how can they stop it now?
Where were our corporate ‘friends’ when we were shit ?
I would imagine he will be ok for the vast majority, as that should be around where I was at the same age.

The issue of platinum is even more important for people like me and your son, as those double points can really be the difference between attending and missing out on an away game.
 
I don't think anyone has an issue with the Euro away's because of the cost in both time and money.
Which games would you ballot, say the 4/5 that have historically gone to the highest points or those that sold out at the lowest points without going to open sale? What about away cup games, do we have a ballot for those too?
Im 16. Ive had a gold season ticket for 9 years (since 07-08) that's 190 points/season + cup games - total = 2915 points. At what age am I gonna be able to buy away tickets from the club?
My dads loyalty in the 80s has been rewarded with around 7000 points.
The average game sells out at 12,000 and above
tell me why balloting a small number of tickets for non top 4 games is not a good idea.
 
Everyone is saying "change the system" "what about the youngsters" and "boo hoo its not fair".
Well we were all youngsters once,we all missed out on big games once.
I started going to City in 1965, thats 36 years,read that again,36 years, before a single loyalty point was handed out. I didnt do every game of course, i got married and had kids but i put some bloody hard yards in i can tell you. So in 2001 that stood for nothing,i had to build up points like everyone else. Fast forward 18 years and i can go to any game,tv permitting it also allows me to book travel etc early and cheap,well it did till i got poorly but mark my words I'll get to every game i can,ive earned it.
So youll forgive me if i say the tickets should go to those like myself and people who may even have been going longer,and not someone who joins a supporters club or some bloody kid who doesnt like the system.
 
Im 16. Ive had a gold season ticket for 9 years (since 07-08) that's 190 points/season + cup games - total = 2915 points. At what age am I gonna be able to buy away tickets from the club?
My dads loyalty in the 80s has been rewarded with around 7000 points.
The average game sells out at 12,000 and above
tell me why balloting a small number of tickets for non top 4 games is not a good idea.

I was asking which games the poster was thinking of.

Re your points, if you'd been on the Cup Schemes and gone Platinum and gone to a few away games then you'd be on over 12,000 points.... Why do you feel you should queue jump?
 
I’m in agreement with a ballot for tickets. There’s older people than the 18-25 brackets too who would like to be involved also! Ageism I believe

It’s where they come from I disagree with from the three areas, points, supporters club, corporate allocation. Why can’t the numbers quoted ‘150’ be shared across the the three areas? Instead of picking on one?

Most of the youngsters I see week in week out are savvy re Facebook twitter etc ( I don’t do either as it’s fuck all to do with anyone else where I am or what I’ve had for my tea) so will always get their hands on them anyway
The only social media I do is this
 
The Club played on our heartstrings when they introduced Loyalty Points, it was to make us feel even more part of the Club that we love. Introducing Platinum meant that those who desired to go to away matches or wanted to be near the front of the queue for Final tickets paid more; remember this came in off the back of winning the FA Cup for the first time in 42 years. I think we can be sure at that time the Corporate take up for away tickets was minimal bar the usual suspect and the odd London match and this is why tickets now sell out at relatively high point levels. On that basis it would be appropriate to redress the balance to what we originally signed up for, and therefore any re-allocation of tickets should come out of the Corporate pot!
 
The Club played on our heartstrings when they introduced Loyalty Points, it was to make us feel even more part of the Club that we love. Introducing Platinum meant that those who desired to go to away matches or wanted to be near the front of the queue for Final tickets paid more; remember this came in off the back of winning the FA Cup for the first time in 42 years. I think we can be sure at that time the Corporate take up for away tickets was minimal bar the usual suspect and the odd London match and this is why tickets now sell out at relatively high point levels. On that basis it would be appropriate to redress the balance to what we originally signed up for, and therefore any re-allocation of tickets should come out of the Corporate pot!
Loyalty points and Platinum were already in place when we moved to the Etihad or no later than the season after. So that's well before 2011.

I'd say that loyalty points were introduced to encourage people to buy tickets for less popular games. We struggled to sell out any game, home or away, bar the derby in those days. Mancini's first FA Cup game was at Boro in January 2010 and the City end was maybe a third full if that. Nowadays we'd probably sell that out in 5 days. You could build your points up quite quickly in those days as you could get tickets for virtually every game. Bill was right in some of what he said but you simply can't do it these days. So I'd say it was 90% encouragement and 10% rationing before 2012, whereas now it's 100% about rationing and people are having to find ways to beat the system.

Platinum was, I'd say, just a money making scheme when we were desperately short of cash. In the early days it would have contributed about 5% to our matchday income stream and maybe 2% to our overall revenue. Now it's 1% and 0.1% respectively.
 
Loyalty points and Platinum were already in place when we moved to the Etihad or no later than the season after. So that's well before 2011.

I'd say that loyalty points were introduced to encourage people to buy tickets for less popular games. We struggled to sell out any game, home or away, bar the derby in those days. Mancini's first FA Cup game was at Boro in January 2010 and the City end was maybe a third full if that. Nowadays we'd probably sell that out in 5 days. You could build your points up quite quickly in those days as you could get tickets for virtually every game. Bill was right in some of what he said but you simply can't do it these days. So I'd say it was 90% encouragement and 10% rationing before 2012, whereas now it's 100% about rationing and people are having to find ways to beat the system.

Platinum was, I'd say, just a money making scheme when we were desperately short of cash. In the early days it would have contributed about 5% to our matchday income stream and maybe 2% to our overall revenue. Now it's 1% and 0.1% respectively.
Platinum was introduced the week we won the FA cup 2011 to start the following season as I was offered Superbia (which I declined)
 
Loyalty points and Platinum were already in place when we moved to the Etihad or no later than the season after. So that's well before 2011.

I'd say that loyalty points were introduced to encourage people to buy tickets for less popular games. We struggled to sell out any game, home or away, bar the derby in those days. Mancini's first FA Cup game was at Boro in January 2010 and the City end was maybe a third full if that. Nowadays we'd probably sell that out in 5 days. You could build your points up quite quickly in those days as you could get tickets for virtually every game. Bill was right in some of what he said but you simply can't do it these days. So I'd say it was 90% encouragement and 10% rationing before 2012, whereas now it's 100% about rationing and people are having to find ways to beat the system.

Platinum was, I'd say, just a money making scheme when we were desperately short of cash. In the early days it would have contributed about 5% to our matchday income stream and maybe 2% to our overall revenue. Now it's 1% and 0.1% respectively.

Loyalty points were introduced in 2002 possibly 2001, but Platinum definitely started for the 2011/12 season so maybe brought in because of FFP?
 
Platinum was, I'd say, just a money making scheme when we were desperately short of cash. In the early days it would have contributed about 5% to our matchday income stream and maybe 2% to our overall revenue. Now it's 1% and 0.1% respectively.

More importantly as there are zero costs involved it's 100% pure profit, so quite a significant amount on our bottom line. The 2017/18 profit would have been about 6% down!
 
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Loyalty points were introduced in 2002 possibly 2001, but Platinum definitely started for the 2011/12 season so maybe brought in because of FFP?
Just checked and you're right. But it probably brought in less than £1m a year when we were losing nearly £100m in 2012 so I doubt it had anything to do with FFP! Particularly as we now know we were padding all the sponsorship deals from Abu Dhabi.
 
Just checked and you're right. But it probably brought in less than £1m a year when we were losing nearly £100m in 2012 so I doubt it had anything to do with FFP! Particularly as we now know we were padding all the sponsorship deals from Abu Dhabi.

So why was it brought in?
I'm sure at the time a number of clubs charged fans a fee to be on an 'Away Scheme' but I have no evidence to hand.
 
I’m not being funny it’s not physically possible for young people to ever legitimately get away tickets. Say the average fan starts at 10 and gets 300 points a season (generous).

300 x 20 = 6,000 points
So after watching every city premier league home game for 20 years they have 6k points.

The average premier league away sells out on about 15,000 points.

So after 50 years being a season ticket holder (at the age of 60) they have the points to go to some games.

No wonder our away atmosphere is getting worse; they’re ancient.
Clearly you are not a seasoncard holder or even know how it works.
You start at 1000 and get a minimum of 380 per season.
Joining cup schemes gives you an additional 300 points plus 20 for every game you go to at home, an absolute minimum of 60.
If it’s platinum you double all that, giving a minimum of 1040 per season. So far this season there have been seven games go to any points, 140, four home cup games and a cup final 100 giving a minimum of 1280 points. 3x the number you posted.
 
Im 16. Ive had a gold season ticket for 9 years (since 07-08) that's 190 points/season + cup games - total = 2915 points. At what age am I gonna be able to buy away tickets from the club?
My dads loyalty in the 80s has been rewarded with around 7000 points.
The average game sells out at 12,000 and above
tell me why balloting a small number of tickets for non top 4 games is not a good idea.
My dad’s been dead 9 years and has twice your points. You’ve actually been going for 11 years, he went for 10 and only did a couple of away games a season? Go figure.
Are you in the Cup schemes? Gold = 180 + 300 (CS) + 90 (cup games) = 580 points multiply that by 11 seasons it’s close to 6000 points and not 3000. And that’s not counting any away games you could have gone to with your dad.

And in answer to your last question you go to away games right now, 7 games so far this season, 10 last season and 11 the season before.

At the start of the 07/08 season I had 2800 points. And like your dad my loyalty between 1970, when i first got a seasoncard, and 2000 was not rewarded with many ‘loyalty’ points.
However since 07/08 I’ve amassed an additional 18,000 or more points. The points were there in your dad’s time frame.
 
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