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Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
Or the even better old days where you woke up, thought “shall I go to Huddersfield today” rang your mate, jumped on a train and paid at the gate! Much easier :-)
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Joined by the 100 or so who only wanted to fight once they got inside the stadium, followed by Pens being erected to try and stop them, followed by the Hillsborough disaster, leading to all ticket Stadiums.
 
berryblue said:
Joined by the 100 or so who only wanted to fight once they got inside the stadium, followed by Pens being erected to try and stop them, followed by the Hillsborough disaster, leading to all ticket Stadiums.
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wtf??? lol
 
Our Loyalty Points are a limited view on who has been "loyal".

They're literally the 2001 Onwards Points.

They've been going for 18 years so where does the loyalty of the many thousands of fans who went to many hundreds of games through the 1990s or both the 1980s and 90s (or further back) come in?

What about older fellas who could have been going since the 1950s and probably been to double the amount of games over the decades than someone with a high number of 2001 Onwards Points?

I don't think someone who has 20000 2001 Onwards Points is any more deserving of an away ticket than someone who went to every single game from 1965-2000 but started a family in his 40s then couldn't go as much from 2001 onwards.

And what about someone who's, say, 17 now. In exactly the same position as someone who started going at 17 in 2001 who could be on 20000 points now. The current 17 year old has no chance of getting tickets to some games and will never ever catch up to have enough to go to all games even though he's bang ready to now? Of course he can go to some games (Cardiff was a Saturday game that went down to low points).

None of these actually apply to me. I can get tickets to a lot of away games - although i shot myself in the foot by boycotting all away tickets that were over £50 when that started creeping in and fell behind in the 2001 Onwards Points scheme. But they are just things i think about from time-to-time for other people in those positions. Let's face it, we shouldn't all have an "i'm alright, Jack" attitude or snipe at people for not going to a mid-week away game when they might not even be able to get the afternoon off work, because one day we'll all be too old to go or even dead and we could have a generation behind us who are so used to not going to away games that we don't have a proper away following.


I'll tell you what as well, our atmosphere away from home was a damn site better before the 2001 Onwards Points came in! I think when people don't go to away games all the time, relish the experience of going and make more noise (Stoke away last season was an example of that, lots more younger lads and different faces than usual and it was one of our best atmospheres of the season). Food for thought...
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Our Loyalty Points are a limited view on who has been "loyal".

They're literally the 2001 Onwards Points.

They've been going for 18 years so where does the loyalty of the many thousands of fans who went to many hundreds of games through the 1990s or both the 1980s and 90s (or further back) come in?

What about older fellas who could have been going since the 1950s and probably been to double the amount of games over the decades than someone with a high number of 2001 Onwards Points?

I don't think someone who has 20000 2001 Onwards Points is any more deserving of an away ticket than someone who went to every single game from 1965-2000 but started a family in his 40s then couldn't go as much from 2001 onwards.

And what about someone who's, say, 17 now. In exactly the same position as someone who started going at 17 in 2001 who could be on 20000 points now. The current 17 year old has no chance of getting tickets to some games and will never ever catch up to have enough to go to all games even though he's bang ready to now? Of course he can go to some games (Cardiff was a Saturday game that went down to low points).

None of these actually apply to me. I can get tickets to a lot of away games - although i shot myself in the foot by boycotting all away tickets that were over £50 when that started creeping in and fell behind in the 2001 Onwards Points scheme. But they are just things i think about from time-to-time for other people in those positions. Let's face it, we shouldn't all have an "i'm alright, Jack" attitude or snipe at people for not going to a mid-week away game when they might not even be able to get the afternoon off work, because one day we'll all be too old to go or even dead and we could have a generation behind us who are so used to not going to away games that we don't have a proper away following.


I'll tell you what as well, our atmosphere away from home was a damn site better before the 2001 Onwards Points came in! I think when people don't go to away games all the time, relish the experience of going and make more noise (Stoke away last season was an example of that, lots more younger lads and different faces than usual and it was one of our best atmospheres of the season). Food for thought...
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I find it interesting that our worst away vocal support is at grounds that are easy travelling distances from Manchester, including Huddersfield and Burnley. I am not sure why this is?
 
I’m 19, been going City my whole life since I was born. If you go most away games you’ll probably recognise my face or have seen me about. My dad didn’t take me away every week when I was younger than 10 but he still took me to the a handful of away games a year. As I’ve got older and more independent I’ve ended up going to near enough every game. I’ve done over 50 games most seasons for the last few years. I’m very honest about how I get my tickets. I use my points when I can, then supporters clubs for when I don’t have enough and if that fails I use favours from people. I have also travelled without a ticket and then hoped there’s one about outside. I sat in the Huddersfield end yesterday. My point being that if you want to watch city away and your willing to take a risk maybe you will 9/10 always get a ticket (people ill on the day etc).
My take on the point system is that I think city can’t win either way. Yes I agree those at the top have earned their points over the years however I believe tickets were more easily accessible then. Now that the demand has increased it’s obviously becomes more difficult. Therefore I’ve found a frustration with people my age that we can’t get tickets that the older generations were able to when you were our age (we just want to do the same things you did when you were 20). You can’t expect parents to take their children away every week (junior pull through scheme) just so they can accumulate more points it’s simply not realistic.
My idea is that you keep the current points scheme but you compete against those at a similar age to you. the club allocates so many tickets to different age brackets. Then they just work down from there based on your points etc. I hope I’m making sense.
I could ramble on about it all day.
anyway see you at burton on Wednesday and yes I did use my supporters club for that
 
Tim of the Oak said:
I find it interesting that our worst away vocal support is at grounds that are easy travelling distances from Manchester, including Huddersfield and Burnley. I am not sure why this is?
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Very strange as hardly any Corporate's are likely to go, and usually sell out at very high points 18.5k for Huddersfield. Only connection is that I've not been to them :-)
(as not enough points...) :-(
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Our Loyalty Points are a limited view on who has been "loyal".

They're literally the 2001 Onwards Points.

They've been going for 18 years so where does the loyalty of the many thousands of fans who went to many hundreds of games through the 1990s or both the 1980s and 90s (or further back) come in?

What about older fellas who could have been going since the 1950s and probably been to double the amount of games over the decades than someone with a high number of 2001 Onwards Points?

I don't think someone who has 20000 2001 Onwards Points is any more deserving of an away ticket than someone who went to every single game from 1965-2000 but started a family in his 40s then couldn't go as much from 2001 onwards.

And what about someone who's, say, 17 now. In exactly the same position as someone who started going at 17 in 2001 who could be on 20000 points now. The current 17 year old has no chance of getting tickets to some games and will never ever catch up to have enough to go to all games even though he's bang ready to now? Of course he can go to some games (Cardiff was a Saturday game that went down to low points).

None of these actually apply to me. I can get tickets to a lot of away games - although i shot myself in the foot by boycotting all away tickets that were over £50 when that started creeping in and fell behind in the 2001 Onwards Points scheme. But they are just things i think about from time-to-time for other people in those positions. Let's face it, we shouldn't all have an "i'm alright, Jack" attitude or snipe at people for not going to a mid-week away game when they might not even be able to get the afternoon off work, because one day we'll all be too old to go or even dead and we could have a generation behind us who are so used to not going to away games that we don't have a proper away following.


I'll tell you what as well, our atmosphere away from home was a damn site better before the 2001 Onwards Points came in! I think when people don't go to away games all the time, relish the experience of going and make more noise (Stoke away last season was an example of that, lots more younger lads and different faces than usual and it was one of our best atmospheres of the season). Food for thought...
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I'm one of these older supporters and I went to more or less every away game I had the money to get to in the 70s & 80s but you can't prove it as it was pay on the gate other than the Derby plus how far back can you go? Trying to make attendance 30-40 plus years ago count is not fair as it was an entirely different situation then. All you had to do to go to an away was get there and make sure you got in before the gates shut (which in reality wasn't that often as grounds had bigger capacities generally).
 
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