Schalke post match thread

[Armaan]

Club statement.. city fan critical after an alleged assault after the match last night.
What happened?

Wtf. Hope he recovers, terrible thing to happen.

 

[mac]

Watch any game of football and 90% of defenders put both arms behind their backs once they square up in the penalty area. Micah Richards did it every time.

Yes they are wising up and doing it more. But if that happens in our box imo it will be a different outcome.

 

[mcfc1632]

Wembley next,lets see how that goes :)

Gonna need a bigger battery mate;-)

 

[GortonBlue62]

Did Walton claim they were both pens mate? I watched it in the pub and I couldn’t hear the sound when Walton was interviewed. Thanks

During the game, about 3 minutes into the 4 minute VAR consultation, BT went to PW for his 'expert opinion'.

At this point despite having seen the incident at least half a dozen times from varying angles, he wouldn't give a definitive answer. He used the word 'could' [be given] three times in about 30 seconds.

Post match he was absolutely certain that it was a penalty.

 

[mac]

According to Walton & against what the v.a r. lovers are saying on here, handball has to be deliberate.

He is sure Otamendi, deliberately handled the ball.

But he also says he "tried to pull his arm away at the last minute" .

At the last minute. It took all of 1 second to hit him. Fuckin tools the lot of them. Also the first goal stands as it was in a different phase of play. It wasn’t even a foul. Soft fuckin ****s

 

[Manc in London]

I can accept that a significant proportion of people agree the penalties should have been given. I don't think they should have been awarded, maybe because I am biased. However, I think it is fair to say that, at best, they were marginal. When you also consider the two yellow cards given to Otamendi, which were both harsh, and Schalke were not punished for decisions that could have gone against them (including two surefire yellow card offences they committed on the edge of their box), then I think it is reasonable to suggest we did not get a fair crack of the whip from the officials.

 

[squirtyflower]

That number 18 for Schalke in addition to spending the night in the Ref’s face made the TV symbol 3 times with his hands. No card was issued. Then again he went toe to toe with Ederson but only Ederson got a card.

Not bent, just fair

 

[Original Halifax.]

It is either a penalty and a red card or a penalty and no card. Cannot be a yellow card. Also referee supposed to make final decision on pitch not someone in a studio. No screen V A R should not have been used! And finally every foul is not a yellow card he let worse fouls go and played advantage shocking ref!

 

[Tim of the Oak]

During the game, about 3 minutes into the 4 minute VAR consultation, BT went to PW for his 'expert opinion'.

At this point despite having seen the incident at least half a dozen times from varying angles, he wouldn't give a definitive answer. He used the word 'could' [be given] three times in about 30 seconds.

Post match he was absolutely certain that it was a penalty.

No wonder we weren’t allowed an English ref at the World Cup!

 

[kaz7]

I was reallly dissapointed and angry at our game for a while ,but atleast we fought til the end and with some luck and brilliant free kick we won it with one man down.Thats a champions mentality and hopefully we finish it off at home in the first half.

@ken tali

Define luck

You fool no-one,never seen until we are losing then there you are

 

[schfc6]

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Take it easy mate. The "What a pile of shit" rhetoric means that you're not receptive to debate and that you are simply voicing an emotional bias - regardless of the truth of the matter.
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With regard to the Otters handball - I'd call that a penalty - not by the rules of the game as they are in the book- but rather on president - that sort of handball, deliberate or not, is usually called. What needs to happen is that either the rules of the game need to be updated (I don't favor this as refs would then be left having to judge what the intent of the player committing the handball was - deliberate? - accidental? - who knows? - with language such as arm in an unnatural position - arm contacting a ball heading towards goal... and so forth).

On the 2nd penalty - I don't honestly know what takes presidence - offsides or the foul. An offside player not attempting to interfere with play isn't called offside - moreover, should a defender contact the ball, such player is then onside. Posters on this forum with more knowledge of the game than I have are satisfied that Fernadinho did commit a penalty regardless of the offside rule.

I'm OK with that.
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The only area of referring that I strongly disagree with is Otters 2nd yellow - yes, it's a foul, yes it's a yellow - but it's a very harsh 2nd yellow - often players committing a soft foul like this without breaking up play and without endangering the opponent are simply warned.

1st pen. Is cheating. There's a clear UEFA directive that states the on-field referee *MUST* give the decision. He didn't. He's not applied the rules.
2nd pen. Two players offside, including Sané who's fouled. Foul by the ref was the correct call, on review the laws state it must be over turned. VAR by all accounts didn't consider looking for the offside.

That's either two very poor mistakes & misuse of VAR or something more sinister.

 

[Machiavelli]

Newport...!!!!

They were using BAA.

 

[kaz7]

Stick your vitreous comments upmyour arse you vile creature.

You are embarrassing in the match threads,give your head a wobble ffs

 

[Bill]

Christ on a bike! Glad you got back safe.

I'll be honest i was a tad worried. Was going to get a room at the Marriott but was fully booked.
Ah well we made it at least.

 

[pride in battle]

I think Otamendi has enough time to react and the ball is heading into the corner. He makes a fist and diverts the ball. If that was reversed I'd absolutely want a penalty.

My issue is how VAR was used tonight. How can the ref not have a monitor but the Schalke bench have?

He makes a fist, stop talking Bollocks, it was a split second to move his arm, all 3 ex pros on BT saying no penalty, you quite clearly have never kicked a ball in your life as you would know that wasn't handball.

 

[Kinkladze 1]

Otamendi committed a handball. He tried to get his arm out of the way but didn’t succeed. If the exact same happened to us at the other end of the pitch we’d be screaming for a penalty. Anyone who argues differently is an out and out happy clapper.

 

[CityInWashingtonState]

1st pen. Is cheating. There's a clear UEFA directive that states the on-field referee *MUST* give the decision. He didn't. He's not applied the rules.
2nd pen. Two players offside, including Sané who's fouled. Foul by the ref was the correct call, on review the laws state it must be over turned. VAR by all accounts didn't consider looking for the offside.

That's either two very poor mistakes & misuse of VAR or something more sinister.

That's one opinion.

With regard to the first penalty decision - what should the ref do if the review panel is unanimous in its opinion and the onfield ref cannot review footage due to equipment problems. I for one absolutely think that the Otters hand ball should have been called a foul.

2nd Pen - no idea - multiple penalties were committed - which takes presididense - I've no idea.

 

[OrigamiNinja]

During the game, about 3 minutes into the 4 minute VAR consultation, BT went to PW for his 'expert opinion'.

At this point despite having seen the incident at least half a dozen times from varying angles, he wouldn't give a definitive answer. He used the word 'could' [be given] three times in about 30 seconds.

Post match he was absolutely certain that it was a penalty.

The problem was, the guys in the studio were asking that idiot Walton the wrong question. They were asking him if he thought it was a pen and he is sat there giving it "Oh I think that might be a pen". His opinion is unimportant.

The only question that is important where VAR is concerned, is whether or not the referee has made a clear and obvious error and that is the question they should have been asking Walton.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

During the game, about 3 minutes into the 4 minute VAR consultation, BT went to PW for his 'expert opinion'.

At this point despite having seen the incident at least half a dozen times from varying angles, he wouldn't give a definitive answer. He used the word 'could' [be given] three times in about 30 seconds.

Post match he was absolutely certain that it was a penalty.

Been given his instructions by that time.

 

[schfc6]

That's an excellent point I wish I has made last night.

From what I gather, next season, the penalty would stand and be unequivocal and Bony's would be ruled out under the coming IFAB guidelines on "accidental handball effecting goals/goal bound shots".

Not really. Bolly's arm was in no way in a natural position. Otamendi's was. For the record I think judged on the handball alone it was probably a pen, but very debatable due to Otamendi's arm position. It certainly falls in the seen them given catorgary.

Boly was both offside and his arm was over his head. A natural position to dive into a swimming pool, but not for a diving header.

In isolation, I don't think Otamendi's was a clear and obvious error on the refs part. Backed up by loads of neutrals expressing the opinion of no pen. But VAR did, so the ref by UEFA instruction must give the call, as the TV was broke, he can't in all good faith over rule his original decission.
Had the ref give a pen I'd have had no problems.