New breed of away fan

M18CTID said:
Bang on mate. Being a dickhead is not age specific. I've seen enough dickhead behaviour from our fans over the years and on plenty of occasions it's been older fans who were responsible. The same goes for taking coke - plenty of 40 and 50-somethings do coke, so it's not just the younger lot.

Piss poor OP IMO which is unfairly pinning disproportionate blame on our younger fanbase. There were 6 of us who travelled over to the Schalke game - ages 58,51,48,48,16, and 15 - and we all had a blast, particularly in Dusseldorf on Tuesday night when hundreds of fans of ALL ages were bouncing around for hours to the Bernardo song without a hint of trouble.
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I posted this , it’s what I’ve experienced. Glad you had a good time but unfortunately our trip wasn’t as good.
 
M18CTID said:
Bang on mate. Being a dickhead is not age specific. I've seen enough dickhead behaviour from our fans over the years and on plenty of occasions it's been older fans who were responsible. The same goes for taking coke - plenty of 40 and 50-somethings do coke, so it's not just the younger lot.

Piss poor OP IMO which is unfairly pinning disproportionate blame on our younger fanbase. There were 6 of us who travelled over to the Schalke game - ages 58,51,48,48,16, and 15 - and we all had a blast, particularly in Dusseldorf on Tuesday night when hundreds of fans of ALL ages were bouncing around for hours to the Bernardo song without a hint of trouble.
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It is age specific, most of the trouble is caused by lads aged 16 to 25.

We are dealing in probabilities; in general young lads cause most of the trouble. Anecdotal evidence pointing out exceptions (I saw a fifty something fighting and acting like a dickhead) doesn't alter that fact. We know that smoking is bad for our health, but we also all know someone who lived to 85 and smoked like a chimney. The probability is that smoking will shorten your life. The exceptions don't alter the reality of the situation.
 
blue corby said:
I posted this , it’s what I’ve experienced. Glad you had a good time but unfortunately our trip wasn’t as good.
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I actually posted something similar to this years ago to Eccles Blue (who’s posted above) when she had a worry our support was changing after trouble at Everton away.

Our support has always been the same. Going right back to when my Grandad used to go in the 1950s and he said it was rife for dickheads back then too.

When City are playing a football game, home or away, at the game or at some point within a few hours before or after the game, somewhere where City fans are, someone or a group of people will be acting like out of order dickheads causing trouble, upsetting people, hurting people, damaging something... 9 times out of 10 you won’t be near them so won’t get caught up in it, 1 time in 10 you might well get caught up in it.

Just because the large majority of the time you don’t get caught up in it and you don’t see an ounce of trouble or dickheadishness going on, doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen somewhere that you don’t happen to be. It does. Every single game!

This is not a new breed of fan. This is just an experience you’ve had that some Blue somewhere has every week with our own support and the same for every other set of fans up and down the country.

It could be a lot worse. We had real hooligan problems from the 1960s-80s, and on the continent they’re going through that now. There are always dickheads in English football support but it’s not like they’re proper fucking hooligans!
 
GortonBlue62 said:
It is age specific, most of the trouble is caused by lads aged 16 to 25.

We are dealing in probabilities; in general young lads cause most of the trouble. Anecdotal evidence pointing out exceptions (I saw a fifty something fighting and acting like a dickhead) doesn't alter that fact. We know that smoking is bad for our health, but we also all know someone who lived to 85 and smoked like a chimney. The probability is that smoking will shorten your life. The exceptions don't alter the reality of the situation.
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How much is most? Have you got a particular percentage in mind? 60%? 70% 80%? There's been enough posts on this thread from older fans saying they've seen plenty of shitty behaviour from older fans too. I'll tell you for now that I've seen as much, if not more trouble, down the years from fans over the age of 25 than under 25.

I'll also point out that fan behaviour these days is miles better than it was in the 70's and 80's, yet the way some people go on you'd be forgiven for thinking that back in their day everyone was perfectly behaved and no-one ever sang about Munich, but the reality is that it was completely the opposite.
 
The real elephant in the room is that there are now plenty who don't really go for the football. They go because it is more important to get pissed or take whatever shit.

It's probably escapism from their usual day-to-day and masks temporarily what little they have going on in their own lives.

They can obviously do that in the comfort of their own home but would they be allowed to get away with it there.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
The real elephant in the room is that there are now plenty who don't really go for the football. They go because it is more important to get pissed or take whatever shit.

It's probably escapism from their usual day-to-day and masks temporarily what little they have going on in their own lives.

They can obviously do that in the comfort of their own home but would they be allowed to get away with it there.
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That’s also been the case going back decades.

When we were shit and we were either getting dicked or the game was boring, we had blokes who used to just go down to the concourse at half time and buy so many pints they’d stay there well into the second half or even go back to the pub and wait for everyone else to get there after the game.

One of my Dad’s mates used to do it all the time in the late 80s. You’d think “where’s he gone?” then you’d go back to the Bee Hive after the game and he’d be four pints in back at the pub. As a young kid at the time, City mad, I used to think that was really weird.

Not arsed about the game, not arsed about City, not arsed about football full stop, just the day out and escapism from normal life.
 
blue corby said:
I posted this , it’s what I’ve experienced. Glad you had a good time but unfortunately our trip wasn’t as good.
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We had a great trip all ages and we even had a 15 year old with us - breaking his European away game duck.

It was great in dusseldwarf (!) and we had a great 2 days but in the game (its always in the ground) there was an edge amongst the City fans - there are elements who are so wired they just want to cause trouble (I don't care how old they are) - we won 3-2 with a last minute winner and we had to go out via the schalke end as near us some city fans were in each other faces spoiling for a fight. WTF - we were absolutely delighted celebrating - so much so we missed our coach back to Dusseldorf - expensive taxi that was!!!
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
The real elephant in the room is that there are now plenty who don't really go for the football. They go because it is more important to get pissed or take whatever shit.

It's probably escapism from their usual day-to-day and masks temporarily what little they have going on in their own lives.

They can obviously do that in the comfort of their own home but would they be allowed to get away with it there.
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You could have a point there regarding if they really go for the football . It would be interesting to know if these same fans go to the home games ? And no I don’t no the answer to that before anyone asks.
 
thismustbetheplace said:
I'm what you could call the new breed of away fan. Mid 20's

The beer throwing has been going on since I remember going City, but yeah if your sober I suppose it will piss you off getting covered in lager. But been happening at big games for years..
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The beer throwing at games is a new thing. Used to happen at gigs all the time (sometimes piss rather than beer - disgusting) and I hear it still does but I don't remember it happening at games until the last couple of seasons.

Unless I was too pissed up at the time to remember! But pretty sure it didn't happen...

Oh and you don't have to be sober to not like getting covered in beer! I think most people, however drunk, don't want beer on them and have to go round stinking of it the rest of the day

As for cocaine and drinking all day etc that's definitely nothing new.
 
blue corby said:
You could have a point there regarding if they really go for the football . It would be interesting to know if these same fans go to the home games ? And no I don’t no the answer to that before anyone asks.
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It might also explain why we don't sing - the singing from the blues was pretty shit at schalke - the odd pockets that's all.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
That’s also been the case going back decades.

When we were shit and we were either getting dicked or the game was boring, we had blokes who used to just go down to the concourse at half time and buy so many pints they’d stay there well into the second half or even go back to the pub and wait for everyone else to get there after the game.

One of my Dad’s mates used to do it all the time in the late 80s. You’d think “where’s he gone?” then you’d go back to the Bee Hive after the game and he’d be four pints in back at the pub.

Not arsed about the game, not arsed about City, not arsed about football full stop, just the day out and escapism from normal life.
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Ah, the Beehive!

There's a couple guys behind me now, 50-odd. He turns up ten minutes late, pissed already, stinking of it. Proceeds to shout at those around him why they aren't singing, City are shit, rinse and repeat.

He then gets on his mobile to someone, about 15 minutes before half-time, asks who is getting them in, proceeds to give his order, then leaves with ten minutes of the half remaining.

Gets back to his seat ten minutes after the second-half, cue more bollocks, hear him chatting where they are going afterwards, then has a go for people around him leaving a couple minutes before the end.

He's seen about 20 minutes of football, tops, but he's clearly an authority on football in general, certainly its tactics and knowing what Pep should be doing.

Oh, and his constant farts could kill a herd of buffalo.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
That’s also been the case going back decades.

When we were shit and we were either getting dicked or the game was boring, we had blokes who used to just go down to the concourse at half time and buy so many pints they’d stay there well into the second half or even go back to the pub and wait for everyone else to get there after the game.

One of my Dad’s mates used to do it all the time in the late 80s. You’d think “where’s he gone?” then you’d go back to the Bee Hive after the game and he’d be four pints in back at the pub. As a young kid at the time, City mad, I used to think that was really weird.

Not arsed about the game, not arsed about City, not arsed about football full stop, just the day out and escapism from normal life.
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An extension of that was all the professional drinkers that used to go to Maine Road before all day opening came in (in 1988) and stand at the bar all game drinking. Some of them had season tickets and never watched a single kick all season. That's dedication for you!
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
He then gets on his mobile to someone, about 15 minutes before half-time, asks who is getting them in, proceeds to give his order, then leaves with ten minutes of the half remaining.

Gets back to his seat ten minutes after the second-half, cue more bollocks, hear him chatting where they are going afterwards, then has a go for people around him leaving a couple minutes before the end.He's seen about 20 minutes of football, tops, but he's clearly an authority on football in general, certainly its tactics and knowing what Pep should be doing.

Oh, and his constant farts could kill a herd of buffalo.
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Yeah, sorry about that.
 
I think, like everyone else, we have a minority of dickheads in our away support. I have been travelling away since the mid 70s and they have always been there. They are harder to avoid on European trips. The drug culture has always been there as well. In the 70s it was mostly weed which had a chilling effect on fans' behaviour, in the late 80s it was more about ecstasy and dance drugs which also seemed to have a calming affect. Nowadays it's about Cocaine which is a horrible drug which makes people think they are superhuman. It creates a bad atmosphere and is a bad mix with alcohol. I have seen the damage it does to people.
Most of our away support of all ages are great but there has been an increasing problem with young thugs and the club need to do something about it.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
The real elephant in the room is that there are now plenty who don't really go for the football. They go because it is more important to get pissed or take whatever shit.
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Always been the case to a certain extent and I think most of us don't go for the football alone, but there does seem to be new 'type' of young city fan you see at away games, many not brought up on City and dont live in Manchester but have just decided that's how they want to spend their weekends. Remember seeing some at arsenal away, all from somewhere like swindon and no city connection at all but it was a just an excuse to go and get pissed with their mates somewhere different. Saw a group from the midlands somewhere another time. Obviously it's a minority but just something I've noticed since the success. And I don't just mean blues from elsewhere in UK who have chose to support city for whatever reason, we've always had those, I mean groups who are going for the away day specifically rather than for City. Not suggesting it's the hem causing trouble,just an observation
 
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