New breed of away fan

I've got to the stage where if I hear the Munich 'song' around me at away matches I will turn round to the perpetrator and just say, quietly; "One of our own died in that crash" and 9 times out of ten they apologise and I don't hear it again. The other one just ignores me but I don't hear the 'song' again.

I don't hear it at home matches because where I sit it's usually the same people (& on the front row of CB1 we're dead posh............... prawn sandwich brigade don't you know!!!...... Mind you I prefer chips as anyone who saw me on the big screen at the first match of the season can testify!! My great-granddaughter saw me on TV & said to her Mum, what is Great-Gran eating........... not why is she on TV, what is she doing at football or anything daft like that!! 5 years old and she knows football is sacrosanct to her G-G) :-)









p.s. please smile, don't get fraught, as I said in my earlier post, we just have to do our best to set a good example. I go to watch the best team in the land in all the world. Maybe I've got blue tinted glasses........... sorry. :-)
 
GortonBlue62 said:
Have a look at the graph at the bottom of this web page...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11473191
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So the main bracket isn't 16-25 but 20-29. Plus a decent amount in the 2 higher age brackets after that. Not only that, you're talking about football hooligans and banning orders - most of the shithouse behaviour I've seen at matches has come from people who aren't officially classed as hooligans because, believe it or not, plenty of top shelf football hooligans have a code of conduct where they would never randomly attack an innocent scarfer or fan. Look at most of the trouble on your average derby day - it's pissed up/pissed off fans from both sides losing their shit, while all too often the real hooligans are wrapped up by the police and can end up not throwing a single punch.
 
Having grown up through the 70s, I think the fighting was tribal. Now, I keep hearing it’s young kids on coke, ganja, booze etc. What’s weird about this is that ‘in my day’ Coke was more of a ‘happy, loving’ drug and ganja just made you smile, eat and chill! I still play in a reggae band, and am used to playing to chilled audiences but there does seem to be a hostile, aggressive element rearing it’s ugly head. And these are not kids.
 
M18CTID said:
So the main bracket isn't 16-25 but 20-29. Plus a decent amount in the 2 higher age brackets after that. Not only that, you're talking about football hooligans and banning orders - most of the shithouse behaviour I've seen at matches has come from people who aren't officially classed as hooligans because, believe it or not, plenty of top shelf football hooligans have a code of conduct where they would never randomly attack an innocent scarfer or fan. Look at most of the trouble on your average derby day - it's pissed up/pissed off fans from both sides losing their shit, while all too often the real hooligans are wrapped up by the police and can end up not throwing a single punch.
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Yeah, you've convinced me mate. The graph clearly indicates that it's middle aged women causing all the trouble at away games. I must be really stupid to think it supported my intuitive but entirely unsubstantiated view that young lads (15 to 30) are causing most of the trouble. Thanks for setting me straight on that one.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Cars (and the away coach) used to park on the area in front of the main entrance on matchdays - as well as during the normal working week That certainly displays some key characteristics of a car park imo!
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Haha. Just the staff and players parking their Saab's and Talbots! Away coach always used to move and park behind the Platt Lane Stand, other side of the pink entry.

Certainly throughout late 70's and 80s.

It wasn't really until the 90's the club started to fill the concourse up with cars passed the old development office and ticket office.
 
I go to most away games, you've thrown a big number of people that dont belong, into what is a very small circle and vastly over exaggerated the issue. Youve been unfortunate enough to come across what is known as a dickhead. Unfortunately, theyre everywhere in life and City isnt exempt from that. Dickheads arent exclusive to the young, and given that hooliganism was rife in the 70/80's you can actually argue theres a higher proplrtion of dickheads amongst the older generation. Dickheads also arent exclusive to those that do drugs or drink either. I know people who do drugs most away games and ive never seen any of them ever be aggressive towards other city fans. Im also aware of a few dickheads that regularly go to the games that dont touch drugs and arent big drinkers. Not denying there is a number of people who will drink and take drugs until they hit the floor, will gladly miss most of the game and aren't the most friendly but they're individuals and them happening to be young, coked up and/or pissed up doesnt have any influnece on them being dickheads, theyll still be dickheads when they sober up and theyll likely still be dickheads when they age. Let's stop trying to create an issue that doesnt exist and divide our support.

One thing that can be attributed to the younger generation though is beer throwing. anybody that throws their beer in the concourse should be banned for life imo. If you don't want to drink it, don't pay a fiver for it. It doesn't look good for your viral videos, it doesn't create an atmosphere, it just makes you look like an idiot for wasting it. people don't want to be covered in piss reeking beer and be forced to spend the rest of what is usually a very long day sticky and covered in it.just stop it.
 
PistonBlue said:
Absolutely, there's always been blokes who go to the match more for the craic than for the football.
During Stuart Pearce's stewardship it was only the prospect of a load of Guinness in the Osborne and Gardeners, then on to town (Rosie's anyone?) that kept me going.
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Rosie's . Yes, good times there. Until the OB turned up that is.
 
blue corby said:
As we don’t seem to have a thread about this I thought I’d start one
The conduct of our younger support is pathetic at the moment , not all but a large percentage. In Germany these last couple of days all they wanted to do was get pissed and goad others either fellow blues or Germans. The songs on the bus back to the train station after the game were all Munich this and Munich that , are they actually aware of who died that day ??
At the ground well at least in our section anyway all they were interested in was getting even more drunk and throwing beer over everyone. When challenged they then tried goading us into a fight all very brave picking on some who is disabled .At one point the idiot behind deliberately poured his beer over one of our party then kept on at him to F**k off if he didn’t like it. One of them even fell asleep during the game .
I can see this happening yet again in the pubs around Wembley again on Sunday and the reason we won’t venture down that way until near ko time. But we are lucky as these are the fans the club want to get on board as they bring atmosphere to the games and intend giving them a separate allocation .
But then maybe it isn’t them at all and it’s just our fault for being as we were called on Wednesday ‘f**king old c**nts’!!
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Lads at away days ballooning and going over the top is absolutely nothing new. To tar ALL of the younger generation of fans with the same brush is a bit ignorant and short sighted.

We met loads of lads in their late teens and early 20s on the Tuesday in Dusseldorf, and the overwhelming majority were good lads, having a good time, they were loud and proud but it was all good natured, they weren’t doing anyone any harm.

We found seemingly the only bar in Gelsenkirchen on the Wednesday, got chatting to one fella in his 60s who was sound. Then 8 or so of his mates turned up, all in their 70s, they looked like a pub quiz team handpicked from the Maine Stand.

They weren’t interested in talking to anyone else but themselves, which is fair enough. When we were getting off we said bye, have a good day fellas, that kind of thing. Tumbleweeds. Ignorant, rude pricks. But I’m not going to tar every City fan in their 70s with the same brush, it’s just a one off incident.

Don’t throw a whole group of people under the bus because of the ignorant actions of a few dick heads.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Cars (and the away coach) used to park on the area in front of the main entrance on matchdays - as well as during the normal working week That certainly displays some key characteristics of a car park imo!
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Away coaches used to park on the corner of the Kippax and Platt Lane end.

I remember walking back between them once, coming out of the Kippax after Dirty Leeds fans smashed up the Platt Lane end. In hindsight, it was probably a bad idea.
 
Not that I've ever witnessed it but theres others that have, its the cases of blue on blue that I find sad. At no point should you slap one of your own.
 
blue corby said:
As we don’t seem to have a thread about this I thought I’d start one
The conduct of our younger support is pathetic at the moment , not all but a large percentage. In Germany these last couple of days all they wanted to do was get pissed and goad others either fellow blues or Germans. The songs on the bus back to the train station after the game were all Munich this and Munich that , are they actually aware of who died that day ??
At the ground well at least in our section anyway all they were interested in was getting even more drunk and throwing beer over everyone. When challenged they then tried goading us into a fight all very brave picking on some who is disabled .At one point the idiot behind deliberately poured his beer over one of our party then kept on at him to F**k off if he didn’t like it. One of them even fell asleep during the game .
I can see this happening yet again in the pubs around Wembley again on Sunday and the reason we won’t venture down that way until near ko time. But we are lucky as these are the fans the club want to get on board as they bring atmosphere to the games and intend giving them a separate allocation .
But then maybe it isn’t them at all and it’s just our fault for being as we were called on Wednesday ‘f**king old c**nts’!!
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I think there are two parallel arguments, and we need to distinguish between the general behaviour of the younger generation at away matches, and specifically what happened in Gelsenkirchen

Firstly, there’s a fine line where atmosphere morphs into rowdiness or nastiness, and regardless of age or generation gap, the line appears mistier, once you’ve supped or sniffed through the pre match period.

For example, prior to the first CL game, in Munich, I was stone cold sober and totally embarrassed by the general aggressive ambience. However, for the 3-2 victory, I was arguably the most drunken supporter in the stadium. I’m not a fighter, but I’m perfectly capable of being the drunk who thinks he’s funny.

In contrast, Schake was my 100th European fixture, and what I personally witnessed was disgusting bordering on criminal.

I was in a couple of pubs in the Schalke Buer region, and both were closed prematurely, after a number of aggressively drunk City fans refused to climb down from the tables. One of them stood next to me in the stadium, and his conduct was frighteningly manic.

Our Seats were in the S1 section (the first block outside the official away section, but 100% blues) and there was a near riot at Half Time, when a gang of City idiots (all of them in the 18-25 age group) attacked the match stewards, (who served as human segregation barriers)

The bloke in front was hit by a coin thrown from the upper tier of City fan, and to combat the beer throwers, I spent the last 20 minutes with my hood-up,

Just after Schalke’s first penalty, a full pint was thrown into the home end, (and to loud cheers) hit an unsuspecting Schalke fan.

I’ve been to Schalke 6 times, and I’m well aware that they have a small hooligan following. However, this was 100% drunken English mayhem.
 
What defines young? im 19 and do pretty much every game home and away. what i notice is that the people my age is normally the same group of lads you dont see many new faces. i personally believe we are well behaved. the odd pint gets thrown in the concourse (which i dont like) but its normally just in the group of lads you are with, not strangers. i find the problem to be lads in the late 20s early 30s. have a bit of spare cash that they spend on some marching powder and think they are bigger than everyone else.

the problem on wednesday was that they were serving beers to the seats. pissed people were able to get worse etc etc... then they just throw the first thing in sight which would be a pint.
 
Eccles Blue said:
I've got to the stage where if I hear the Munich 'song' around me at away matches I will turn round to the perpetrator and just say, quietly; "One of our own died in that crash" and 9 times out of ten they apologise and I don't hear it again. The other one just ignores me but I don't hear the 'song' again.
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"One of our own" almost died in that crash blue. Sir Matt Busby made 204 appearances between 1928 and '36 for City.

Quite a few blues don't know that, and I bet hardly any idiots chanting Munich songs do. Maybe this fact may help to educate and eradicate singing about a tragedy: ( I hope so.

Once a blue always a blue and n' that.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Away coaches used to park on the corner of the Kippax and Platt Lane end.

I remember walking back between them once, coming out of the Kippax after Dirty Leeds fans smashed up the Platt Lane end. In hindsight, it was probably a bad idea.
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I was talking about the away team coach, although upon reflection that may have been bollicks too tbf!
 
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