“City Matters” fan committee

The one and only scenario where ID checks would be even remotely acceptable is if every single away ticket with zero exceptions was sold to loyalty point holders. No queue jumping corporate seat holders, no mates running supprters clubs handing them out, no allowing these dubious websites to get their hands on rows of tickets to do with as they please. Just the entire allocation all sold via points with no method of getting around the system, otherwise it only alienates the common regular fan from the rest and further increases disharmony between the fanbase.

Let's say I was going to united away having got my ticket via my points only to be informed I must go through an ID process to get my ticket and then i see a guy who's got his ticket from his mate who runs a supporters club on his first away day of the season strolling passed me, followed by another guy who's splashed out thousands on a corporate seat at home and is now entitled to away tickets whenever despite only buying it last season both entering the ground with no checks, it's going to leave a lot of people very very pissed off and I guarantee there will be problems caused from it. It's essentially creating a class system within our support
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
The club can enforce their own regulations or not, as they choose. Give me the seat numbers and matches where opposition fans were sat in them and I'll take it up. As for the Family Stand the club aren't enforcing it these days until they decide what to do with it.
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I'll be able to oblige with this next month,when we play Spurs,as for the last 3 seasons, the 3 seats in front of me have been occupied by their fans,I'm expecting the same this time around as well.

And they are NOT given by family members,I'm led to believe the club own the 3 seats I'm talking about.
 
Ardwick Green Blue said:
I haven’t had a response to my post earlier asking for all CM reps to oppose any increases in seasoncard prices.

What is the position of PB on this?
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Why wouldn't we oppose this? You don't think we're going to ask for an increase do you? We discussed this at our committee meeting last week and want the club to take a good look at ticket pricing as we don't think the current system is logical or fair.

I presented the evidence of season and matchday ticket pricing at the other big clubs (bar Spurs) and it's quite surprising. Our range of season ticket prices is (bar the very cheap ones and 93:20) almost identical to United's & Liverpool's. You can watch 14 matches at the Emirates for less than you can watch them at the Etihad. Watching us at Old Trafford (as a United fan) costs less than watching them at our place. Yet we clearly don't have the equivalent level of demand as we're selling home tickets in all sorts of places.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Why wouldn't we oppose this? You don't think we're going to ask for an increase do you? We discussed this at our committee meeting last week and want the club to take a good look at ticket pricing as we don't think the current system is logical or fair.

I presented the evidence of season and matchday ticket pricing at the other big clubs (bar Spurs) and it's quite surprising. Our range of season ticket prices is (bar the very cheap ones and 93:20) almost identical to United's & Liverpool's. You can watch 14 matches at the Emirates for less than you can watch them at the Etihad. Watching us at Old Trafford (as a United fan) costs less than watching them at our place. Yet we clearly don't have the equivalent level of demand as we're selling home tickets in all sorts of places.
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Thanks for the reply. I expected you would oppose any increases but it’s good to have it confirmed.I wondered what the club’s position is as clearly they have been increasing prices year on year whilst other clubs have frozen them.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
No.
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But he has a couple of spares ;)

If the club was founded tomorrow what would be a fair system for allocating tickets? Could the less desirable away games be worth more points giving an incentive to go to those and an opportunity for people to catch up? IE going to a game at Cardiff on a Wednesday demonstrates more loyalty than a game against Burnley because the travel time is increased.

Could you weight the points so that if you're 18-25 you get 105% of the points of a FOC also giving you a chance to catch up?

For the really popular away games could you have a ballot but a weighted system ie. If you have a high number of points and you've been to every crappy away game for ten years then your name goes in the pot 10 times .if you have mid number of points and you've been to 5 aways in 10 years then you get your name in the pot 3 times? The more loyal you have been the greater your chance but it still allows the youngsters to build points.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
There is no law requiring you to carry ID in this country. But there are circumstances where you have to be able to verify your identity. If you're buying alcohol and the vendor has to have proof you're over 25. Not a problem for you or me of course though! My daughter, as an NHS employee, can get certain discounts but she has to show her ID.

I went to the Football Museum in Tuesday for Gary James' excellent talk. As a Manchester resident I get free entry but had to prove I lived where I do. So I used my driving licence.

There are a load of rules & regulations attached to buying a ticket for a football match that you agree to when buying a ticket. You agree you won't take certain items into the ground and that you will abide by the ground regulations once inside. Some of that has a legal basis, in that it's a criminal offence in any other circumstances, some is based on local bye-laws or on other regulations. And some is at the sole behest of the club in order to enforce its own particular requirements. Passing on a ticket for a regulated football match or facilitating such an act without authority from the issuer is, technically, a criminal offence, even if that's done at face value or less. Ridiculous I know (and it rarely seems to be enforced even against blatant touts) but it's the law.

If the club decides to introduce these checks then you buy a ticket and implicitly agree to them. If you're so vehemently opposed then don't buy an away ticket.

People who systematically sell on tickets are denying those tickets to people who should be entitled to them. I really can't understand why people see attempts to enforce this as a problem.
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I have said it before and I will say it again why aren't the club looking into tickets that appear on ticketing websites and seeing who is selling these on and why are they not stopping the abuse of the club's own staff with regards to ticket allocation. IMO corporates and sponsors should have no more right to an away ticket than anyone else yet it appears that 15% of these tickets are being siphoned off. Whilst I recognise the value of supporters clubs I don't understand why 20% of tickets are allocated to them as surely those that go should be season card holders anyway and should qualify in their own right. In an allocation of 3,000 that's just over 1,000 tickets that aren't being sold by the loyalty scheme which is outrageous. Let's see how many tunnel club members and other corporates are at Swansea on Saturday shall we...
 
whp.blue said:
I don't care as I don't need points.
However the argument that what is being done affects fans who have higher points than me.
Whilst I accept I can bypass a bent system not everyone can.
Pity there isn't enough being done to make the system fairer.
I have no problem missing out on a ticket if the only criteria was points.
But we all no it isn't.
SC are being defended to the hilt by City Matters and everyone knows they are cheating just as much as me.
18-25 group is the new cheat.
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You need to understand that all SC do NOT cheat the system and I for one as Chairman of the Mid Cheshire Branch take umbridge with your stupid remarks.
 
Eccles Blue said:
I keep thinking that I won't post again however................... as a citizen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, as it states on my passport, I do NOT have to carry ID unless I am going abroad. Nowhere on my passport or in the laws of this country does it state that I have to have an ID card.

If the club introduce photo season cards fair enough I will carry a photo season card. There is the technology in this day and age to have the photo from the season card printed on the away ticket so surely that is a more sensible option. Has no one suggested this?

However as the saying goes, taking a hammer to crack a nut, does not seem like a sensible thing for our beloved club to do.

Was there not a meeting in February? If so where are the minutes?


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p.s. I am not haranguing anyone, just asking a question and stating, as I am allowed to do, my opinion. :-)
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We have plenty of nuts on this thread. ;)
 
Eds said:
I have said it before and I will say it again why aren't the club looking into tickets that appear on ticketing websites and seeing who is selling these on...
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How do you know they aren't?

Some websites, like Ryanair, are authorised resellers so we have to split these off from the unauthorised ones, who are acting outside the law (although most aren't based in the UK so we can't take action). Some authorised ones are only supposed to sell hospitality packages with a minimal mark-up but I've passed on examples to them of general admission tickets being sold and huge, unjustifiable mark-ups on hospitality packages.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
How do you know they aren't?

Some websites, like Ryanair, are authorised resellers so we have to split these off from the unauthorised ones, who are acting outside the law (although most aren't based in the UK so we can't take action). Some authorised ones are only supposed to sell hospitality packages with a minimal mark-up but I've passed on examples to them of general admission tickets being sold and huge, unjustifiable mark-ups on hospitality packages.
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If the club are investigating then that's fine. I think most people just want transparency when for some games, not all, the tickets are selling out at high points and then they pop up all over the place. Incidentally if the likes of Ryanair are authorised sellers for away games how many tickets are they receiving and whose allocation are they coming out of?
 
Eds said:
If the club are investigating then that's fine. I think most people just want transparency when for some games, not all, the tickets are selling out at high points and then they pop up all over the place. Incidentally if the likes of Ryanair are authorised sellers for away games how many tickets are they receiving and whose allocation are they coming out of?
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City Supporters facebook sites have got Swansea tickets up for grabs
 
oakiecokie said:
You need to understand that all SC do NOT cheat the system and I for one as Chairman of the Mid Cheshire Branch take umbridge with your stupid remarks.
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I had never stated that All SC cheat, however I know that some do.
Two of my family members go to games that they would never qualify for under the points system. Funny how their SC always have tickets to help them fill their coach.
Are you actually implying that no SC break the rules?
If not my remarks are valid. imho
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
The club can enforce their own regulations or not, as they choose. Give me the seat numbers and matches where opposition fans were sat in them and I'll take it up. As for the Family Stand the club aren't enforcing it these days until they decide what to do with it.
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I think you will find they are enforcing it as that’s why the 2 seats are empty as they chucked out the 2 that had been sitting there since moving to the stadium .
 
meeesh said:
I'll be able to oblige with this next month,when we play Spurs,as for the last 3 seasons, the 3 seats in front of me have been occupied by their fans,I'm expecting the same this time around as well.

And they are NOT given by family members,I'm led to believe the club own the 3 seats I'm talking about.
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That’s exactly what happens with the 2 in front of us , but as I’ve been told the club can enforce what they choose.
 
meeesh said:
A riot,if they jumped up if they managed to score,guarantee that,then we see what the club says then
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On Saturday against Watford one of the fans occupying the seats wasn’t even a fan of either club as all he went on about all game was Liverpool !!!
 
A question for regular away day supporters, if id checks are forced upon us, and for example it's Newcastle on a Tuesday night, with all the pissing about is it likely to effect your approach to attending aways, will you be put off, and will you be inclined to cancel the ticket. The pressure of travelling a long way without your ticket, and the stress of collecting it, will it make you reconsider whether it is worth the hassle
 
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