Madeleine McCann

[hello]

And that’s why there’s a huge number who doubt whether she was actually abducted. If she was, they were seemingly more concerned in covering up their own failings than in finding her. Their obstruction and obfuscation didn’t help the police at best and was downright suspicious, pointing the finger of guilt at them, at worst.

That’s why I have little truck with anyone blindly defending them.

Indeed for me the immediate reactions were just too far out to be rational, we lost one of our kids once ( he was 4 so similar age) and the immediate reaction was to split up and start searching the immediate area, but they discovered a child was missing from an unlocked room and thought the best thing to do was sit down finish ya drinks and plot a timeline of what the kid did that day? What use would that have been at that time when the most likely scenario is child wakes up and goes looking for mummy and daddy.

 

[Fame Monster]

I don't have kids. But if I did, I'd me more inclined to trust Murat than the McCanns because I think the former would be less inclined to piss off out and leave them unattended

Fair enough. I don't think anyone would fully trust their kids with either because no matter how certain you are that Murat or the McCanns were innocent, there's always that 1% doubt because shit sticks unfortunately which is why we have defamation laws.

I suspect after the lesson of Maddy, the McCanns would be a lot less likely than the average person to leave their or your kids unattended now although they could just be innately neglectful people. All I can say is that if I did let them look after my kids on the premise that they'd learnt their lesson and they suddenly popped out for a late-night Tapas, I would be absolutely livid.

 

[M18CTID]

Fair enough. I don't think anyone would fully trust their kids with either because no matter how certain you are that Murat or the McCanns were innocent, there's always that 1% doubt because shit sticks unfortunately which is why we have defamation laws.

I suspect after the lesson of Maddy, the McCanns would be a lot less likely than the average person to leave their or your kids unattended now although they could just be innately neglectful people. All I can say is that if I did let them look after my kids on the premise that they'd learnt their lesson and they suddenly popped out for a late-night Tapas, I would be absolutely livid.

Absolutely. 100% agree with all of that

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Indeed for me the immediate reactions were just too far out to be rational, we lost one of our kids once ( he was 4 so similar age) and the immediate reaction was to split up and start searching the immediate area, but they discovered a child was missing from an unlocked room and thought the best thing to do was sit down finish ya drinks and plot a timeline of what the kid did that day? What use would that have been at that time when the most likely scenario is child wakes up and goes looking for mummy and daddy.

Lost my son in a supermarket once at a similar age. The panic sets in right away and you start running round but fortunately a friend had seen him and held onto him. Little bastard then promptly ran off again!

 

[Machiavelli]

I posted the link and the analysis by a chartered accountant for the first four years.

http://mccannfundfraud.info/2010/02/a-forensic-examination-of-the-company-accounts/ This links to companies house records

I referred that in her book she said they wanted total transparency but they only post accounts as late as 1 day before the companies house "fines" not fees kick in.

the first years account had a breakdown of what these professionals fees were to an extent i.e. legal PR etc, subsequent years they were lumped together with no breakdown.

PAYE/NIC is irrelevant they have no staff

VAT likewise no relevance

CT interestingly the CT payments failed actually indicate discrepancies assuming director loans and if they set up as a charity they could have saved on CT liabilities but would have to show more of where the money went.

SA unrelated but why do you leave it till near the deadline, personally I try to get it out of the way in April/May so i can forget about it.

Were you in Portugal at the time?

No I was doing my accounts! ;)
Personal choice I don’t need to so I leave it in my account until I’m legally required to pay it.
What are these companies house fees you keep referring to? It’s only cost me £13 to complete my return with them.
I only mentioned the PAYE, VAT etc to show you don’t HAVE to pay them (or anything else) in the reporting period the fees relate to.
There’s still no denying everything you’ve raised could be filed in the “so what?” category, they’re all perfectly normal business practices and that’s why they’ve done what they’ve done, for there to be any discrepancies with the find Maddie fund their company accounts and HMRC would’ve flagged it by now.

The website you’ve linked is called mccannfundFRAUD.com it might be coming from a certain angle with a name like that, it’s from 2010 and only discusses one annual reporting period. Do you have any more information for years 2011/12/13/14/15/16/17/18?

 

[hello]

No I was doing my accounts! ;)
Personal choice I don’t need to so I leave it in my account until I’m legally required to pay it.
What are these companies house fees you keep referring to? It’s only cost me £13 to complete my return with them.
I only mentioned the PAYE, VAT etc to show you don’t HAVE to pay them (or anything else) in the reporting period the fees relate to.
There’s still no denying everything you’ve raised could be filed in the “so what?” category, they’re all perfectly normal business practices and that’s why they’ve done what they’ve done, for there to be any discrepancies with the find Maddie fund their company accounts and HMRC would’ve flagged it by now.

The website you’ve linked is called mccannfundFRAUD.com it might be coming from a certain angle with a name like that, it’s from 2010 and only discusses one annual reporting period. Do you have any more information for years 2011/12/13/14/15/16/17/18?

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/06248215/filing-history?page=1

I referred to companies house fines not fees, they leave their returns very late and file just before the fines become enforceable for a late return, This might be your practice but most companies start the end of year audit process fairly soon after the year ends and get the return done.

I've not reviewed them in any detail, but a couple of things that did stand out Mcvey was an early director ( their was some doubt raised to the mccann-mcvey relationship earlier), Auditors resignation very unusual especially as the accountants firm use dis still trading & the amount of the fund\donated money they now have listed as "investment" and employing a tax consultant as a director seems odd for a non profit foundation that could have received charity status but decided to go a limited company instead

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/06248215/filing-history?page=1

I referred to companies house fines not fees, they leave their returns very late and file just before the fines become enforceable for a late return, This might be your practice but most companies start the end of year audit process fairly soon after the year ends and get the return done.

I've not reviewed them in any detail, but a couple of things that did stand out Mcvey was an early director ( their was some doubt raised to the mccann-mcvey relationship earlier), Auditors resignation very unusual especially as the accountants firm use dis still trading & the amount of the fund\donated money they now have listed as "investment" and employing a tax consultant as a director seems odd for a non profit foundation that could have received charity status but decided to go a limited company instead

I must say I can't figure out why the fund was setup as a PLC rather than a charity.
It makes absolutely no sense as to why you would do that to a layman like me.

 

[Machiavelli]

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/06248215/filing-history?page=1

I referred to companies house fines not fees, they leave their returns very late and file just before the fines become enforceable for a late return, This might be your practice but most companies start the end of year audit process fairly soon after the year ends and get the return done.

I've not reviewed them in any detail, but a couple of things that did stand out Mcvey was an early director ( their was some doubt raised to the mccann-mcvey relationship earlier), Auditors resignation very unusual especially as the accountants firm use dis still trading & the amount of the fund\donated money they now have listed as "investment" and employing a tax consultant as a director seems odd for a non profit foundation that could have received charity status but decided to go a limited company instead

Thanks for the response. I get what you mean now about CH fines - you mean they didn’t file their end of year accounts until before it can incur a fine?
I submit my accounts to my accountant pretty much when my business year finishes. Depending on my accountant’s workload he will get them submitted within 3 months after my year end (June 30th) I don’t pay the CT on those until the following April though.
Tbh mate you could look at lots of UK businesses and find some eye opening stuff regarding accounts, suspicions board of directors members etc. The McCanns will be advised how to run the business by accountants who will show them what they can and can’t do from a legal standpoint and show them the loopholes. I agree they’re probably living off the fund but if folk are happy to put monies into the fund that’s up to them. It doesn’t implicate them in the disappearance of Maddie, which is the main issue here.

 

[supercity88]

And that’s why there’s a huge number who doubt whether she was actually abducted. If she was, they were seemingly more concerned in covering up their own failings than in finding her. Their obstruction and obfuscation didn’t help the police at best and was downright suspicious, pointing the finger of guilt at them, at worst.

That’s why I have little truck with anyone blindly defending them.

Yes their behaviour was completely odd. If that was me, I tell my wife to stay with the twins and not touch anything in the room and call the police and I get out looking. I hold my hands up and accept all responsibility and blame for my actions and don't wprry about repercussions at that time because my missing child is priority.

Perhaps, due to being a group of doctors they felt their reputation was so vital to their profession that it deserved more immediate attention than the missing child. But it is all incredibly odd.

However, you can't make a jump from odd behaviour to assuming they were involved in the death of their child because the same way it is puzzling to understand how an abduction was successfully carried out, surely they would have found a body and nailed the McCanns had they been involved.

 

[Machiavelli]

I must say I can't figure out why the fund was setup as a PLC rather than a charity.
It makes absolutely no sense as to why you would do that to a layman like me.

They would’ve been advised to do so.

Yes their behaviour was completely odd. If that was me, I tell my wife to stay with the twins and not touch anything in the room and call the police and I get out looking. I hold my hands up and accept all responsibility and blame for my actions and don't wprry about repercussions at that time because my missing child is priority.

Perhaps, due to being a group of doctors they felt their reputation was so vital to their profession that it deserved more immediate attention than the missing child. But it is all incredibly odd.

However, you can't make a jump from odd behaviour to assuming they were involved in the death of their child because the same way it is puzzling to understand how an abduction was successfully carried out, surely they would have found a body and nailed the McCanns had they been involved.

They could’ve been worried about having the twins taken off them as well by social services.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Apart from the fact that, if she really was abducted, their neglect was a direct, contributory factor to that.

I'm sure they are well aware of that.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

They would’ve been advised to do so.

They could’ve been worried about having the twins taken off them as well by social services.

Yeah most likely, but why were they advised to do so?
I'm interested in the motivation behind that decision, as charities don't have to pay tax on most income. It would free up more funds to potentially help find Madeline surely?

 

[The blue phantom]

I'm sure they are well aware of that.

Some posters don't see them suffering with the loss of a child due partly to their neglect as enough, Ive read have the twins taken off them, a prisons sentence. They want more, they need it!

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

Some posters don't see them suffering with the loss of a child due completely to their neglect as enough, Ive read have the twins taken off them, a prisons sentence. They want more, they need it!

Fixed

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I'm sure they are well aware of that.

Shame they didn't seem to be aware of it at the time then isn't it?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Some posters don't see them suffering with the loss of a child due partly to their neglect as enough, Ive read have the twins taken off them, a prisons sentence. They want more, they need it!

They've already suffered far too much.

 

[Saddleworth2]

They've already suffered far too much.

More than anyone should. I can’t think of a worse thing to happen to a parent.

 

[Cityfan]

You know what really bothers me?
The night before she disappeared Madeline said to her mum 'why didn't you come when me and Sean were crying?' (or words to that effect)

I feel like a genuinely good person would not leave their kids alone again unsupervised after hearing that

Kids cry it happens.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

Kids cry it happens.

Let me get this straight:
You're on holiday, decide to leave the kids on their own at night after leaving them on their own in a crèche all day because you want to go out and have a nice drink and food (sod the kids they aren't important)
You come back and your kid asks you why didn't you come when they and their sibling were crying?
You really just want to pass this off as: kids cry it's what they do?
You don't think them being left on their own constantly night after night has anything to do with it?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Shame they didn't seem to be aware of it at the time then isn't it?

It is.