UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Metalartin]

Looks like 'trump' has become the new 'nazi'.

Yep it's the new "Yeah, well you're Hitler you are".

 

[The Blue]

Must admit, I've deleted my twitter account because of the absolute bullshit I was reading on a daily basis. It was actually stressing me out. Journalist and official accounts have become self entitled in a way that is not seen elsewhere and you find yourself in a constant loop with "fans" who aren't there to debate just wind people up.
I've got to say, I feel a sense of relief now I've deleted it and it's brought me back on here which is a good thing.

 

[Kennedy_probably_has]

Must admit, I've deleted my twitter account because of the absolute bullshit I was reading on a daily basis. It was actually stressing me out. Journalist and official accounts have become self entitled in a way that is not seen elsewhere and you find yourself in a constant loop with "fans" who aren't there to debate just wind people up.
I've got to say, I feel a sense of relief now I've deleted it and it's brought me back on here which is a good thing.

#metoo

 

[Citizen Green]

#metoo

I must admit, I've been very tempted recently.

 

[Kennedy_probably_has]

I must admit, I've been very tempted recently.

It’s been quite liberating!

 

[Metalartin]

Its crazy as even if we accept UAE has questionable human rights standards by UK standards,In general the UAE is more tolerant than must countries in that region, take Iran where recently a prominent Iranian human rights lawyer Sotoudeh was prosecuted for taking off their mandatory headscarf and subsequently sentenced to 38 years in jail and 148 lashes by the Iranian regime. It should be criticised politically, however if one is really going to look for an angle to bring an association of such abuse to justify criticism of a sporting team, an investigative sports journalist wouldn't be too hard pushed to find multiple punishments( as in actually found guilty) instances of Standard Chartered laundering billions of $ on behalf of the Iranian regime.

Ironically Standard Chartered are a member of Global Banking Alliance for Women whilst funding perhaps one of the must oppressive regimes against women in the world. In addition to funding the Iranian regime which by the standards of today's sports journalism represents condoning the actions of abusing human right and oppression of woman they also fund Liverpool as primary sponsors which has been renewed even after Standard Chartered were found guilty of laundering cash on behalf of Iran. So if City as a club and fans can be criticised for UAE's actions then surely the bigger story an investigative journalists should be going for is Liverpool FC putting profit over decency in renewing a financial relationship with an organisation that has been found guilty of profiting by directly supporting an oppressive regime.

Yep nobody asks Arsenal fans or Real Madrid fans to justify the UAE's human rights issues either, they are football supporters, why should they have to? Are all these Jounos boycotting the Qatar world cup, not taking a penny from them? I hope so.

They seem to be asking the question how can you support a club with any links to "insert moral issue"? Are they really just trying to turn away the growing worldwide support who perhaps do not yet have strong bonds with the club? As well as potential commercial partners with the cheat label and so on?

 

[Metalartin]

Must admit, I've deleted my twitter account because of the absolute bullshit I was reading on a daily basis. It was actually stressing me out. Journalist and official accounts have become self entitled in a way that is not seen elsewhere and you find yourself in a constant loop with "fans" who aren't there to debate just wind people up.
I've got to say, I feel a sense of relief now I've deleted it and it's brought me back on here which is a good thing.

I've never joined Facebook or Twitter(hard to not at least read twitter feeds these days though)... I regret making a youtube account sometimes. It's such a huge waste of time but hard to resist arguing against the complete bullshit people spout(for me anyway).

 

[Bozzie]

I've never joined Facebook or Twitter(hard to not at least read twitter feeds these days though)... I'm already regretting making a youtube account. It's such a huge waste of time but hard to resist arguing against the complete bullshit people spout(for me anyway).

I'm a very recent subscriber to twitter. Not sure how long I'll last, it's a bit like One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest, within the first couple of hours a Dipper had blocked me for suggesting that City weren't actually the only football club involved in the child abuse scandal despite me showing great patience and restraint. On the positive side you get to read the thoughts of some excellent pro City people.

 

[mayo31]

Yep nobody asks Arsenal fans or Real Madrid fans to justify the UAE's human rights issues either, they are football supporters, why should they have to? Are all these Jounos boycotting the Qatar world cup, not taking a penny from them? I hope so.

They seem to be asking the question how can you support a club with any links to "insert moral issue"? Are they really just trying to turn away the growing worldwide support who perhaps do not yet have strong bonds with the club? As well as potential commercial partners with the cheat label and so on?

Any club owned by Americans are totally fucked if we all go down that route of morals

Oh, we have 2, both play in red. The colour of the devil

 

[Metalartin]

I'm a very recent subscriber to twitter. Not sure how long I'll last, it's a bit like One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest, within the first couple of hours a Dipper had blocked me for suggesting that City weren't actually the only football club involved in the child abuse scandal despite me showing great patience and restraint. On the positive side you get to read the thoughts of some excellent pro City people.

It's as someone has already said 90%(probably higher) of the time people aren't looking for discussion at all.

 

[caseball]

I don't know if these people are journalists or bloggers but, whatever they are, their output on this subject does them no favours. They base their positions on several factual inaccuracies, refuse to revise their claims and insult anyone who challenges the claims. But there is a bigger problem than their loose attachment to fact. They have recently shifted the focus of their outrage from City's financial misdeeds to City's association with human rights abuses. Concern for human suffering is praiseworthy but do they really believe that a football team has any influence on an armed conflict or on a country's customs and more sinister ways? What's the point in attaching a football team's name to these problems? It isn't going to ease the pain of starving children, it isn't going to liberate political prisoners, it isn't going to change a country's attitude to homosexuality. So what's the point? What change do they think this approach can bring about in the Middle East? If they succeeded in driving ADUG out of English football, or City fans away from their team, the issues they've raised will still remain. The whole exercise seems pointless. But what damns them in my eyes is their willingness to see the Twitter debate they generate degenerate into name calling by fans of different football teams. Why do the authors participate in the trivialization of the serious issues they claim to be addressing? I can only draw the conclusions that their motives are not honest and that they don't really give a shit about starving children and political prisoners or that they are such insignificant names in their chosen profession that the only way they can get attention is to attach a famous football team's name to their product.

 

[Rolee]

If they succeeded in driving ADUG out of English football, or City fans away from their team, the issues they've raised will still remain

Yep, I made a similar point in the sportswashing thread yesterday, what do they think it would achieve?

 

[Parisian]

I don't know if these people are journalists or bloggers but, whatever they are, their output on this subject does them no favours. They base their positions on several factual inaccuracies, refuse to revise their claims and insult anyone who challenges the claims. But there is a bigger problem than their loose attachment to fact. They have recently shifted the focus of their outrage from City's financial misdeeds to City's association with human rights abuses. Concern for human suffering is praiseworthy but do they really believe that a football team has any influence on an armed conflict or on a country's customs and more sinister ways? So what's the point in attaching a football team's name to these problems? It isn't going to ease the pain of starving children, it isn't going to liberate political prisoners, it isn't going to change a country's attitude to homosexuality. So what's the point? What change do they think this approach can bring about in the Middle East? If they succeeded in driving ADUG out of English football, or City fans away from their team, the issues they've raised will still remain. The whole exercise seems pointless. But what damns them in my eyes is their willingness to see the Twitter debate they generate degenerate into name calling by fans of different football teams. Why do the authors participate in the trivialization of the serious issues they claim to be addressing? I can only draw the conclusions that their motives are not honest and that they don't really give a shit about starving children and political prisoners or that they are such insignificant names in their chosen profession that the only way they can get attention is to attach a famous football team's name to their product.

Can only been taken seriously if they apply those ethics to everyone. Meaning you go after any contract (not only ownership but sponsorship too) coming from those who are involved in "sport washing". That includes UAE and Qatar monarchies but also a lot of other actors. They should also ask for a ban on those kit manufacturers that are doing slave and child labour but aren't being called out.
I'm all for ethics if they are not used for an hidden agenda, here stopping a rival from being too competitive.

 

[mrbelfry]

In defence of the media the issue isn't just that we take money from Abu Dhabi but that we are owned by Abu Dhabi. Sponsorship deals from Emirates etc aren't the same as the clubs are not 'state owned' but we are. It's a subtle difference but for the media a crucial one . We see them the same but the media want to make the distinction

 

[JGL07]

In defence of the media the issue isn't just that we take money from Abu Dhabi but that we are owned by Abu Dhabi. Sponsorship deals from Emirates etc aren't the same as the clubs are not 'state owned' but we are. It's a subtle difference but for the media a crucial one . We see them the same but the media want to make the distinction

City are no more owned by Abu Dhabi than Liverpool are owned by the USA or Leicester are owned by Thailand.

 

[Neville Kneville]

In defence of the media the issue isn't just that we take money from Abu Dhabi but that we are owned by Abu Dhabi. Sponsorship deals from Emirates etc aren't the same as the clubs are not 'state owned' but we are. It's a subtle difference but for the media a crucial one . We see them the same but the media want to make the distinction

The issue for the media is we keep finishing above Utd & Liverpool.

If we didn't, they wouldn't give a flying fuck.

 

[blueparrot]

In defence of the media the issue isn't just that we take money from Abu Dhabi but that we are owned by Abu Dhabi. Sponsorship deals from Emirates etc aren't the same as the clubs are not 'state owned' but we are. It's a subtle difference but for the media a crucial one . We see them the same but the media want to make the distinction

We aren’t owned by Abu Dhabi though. That’s the subtle difference the media ignore.

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

In defence of the media the issue isn't just that we take money from Abu Dhabi but that we are owned by Abu Dhabi. Sponsorship deals from Emirates etc aren't the same as the clubs are not 'state owned' but we are. It's a subtle difference but for the media a crucial one . We see them the same but the media want to make the distinction

Sheikh Mansour owns the club not Abu Dhabi.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I must admit, I've been very tempted recently.

If I was on twitter, I’d give it up.

 

[remember arthur mann]

Sheikh Mansour owns the club not Abu Dhabi.

Nope !