Westminster voting intentions weekly round up

[urban genie]

All main pollsters released results the last 3 days so a full round uo for once

 

[cibaman]

All main pollsters released results the last 3 days so a full round uo for once

Seems like the two main parties are engaged in a race to the bottom, with the Tories winning!

 

[hilts]

Seems like the two main parties are engaged in a race to the bottom, with the Tories winning!

Excellent news

 

[urban genie]

Ukip and change uk on 1% each


Country is truly fucked up when a facist leader (maybe not all in his party but certainly farage) is second by 2%

 

[blueinsa]

Ukip and change uk on 1% each


Country is truly fucked up when a facist leader (maybe not all in his party but certainly farage) is second by 2%

The fact you all keep calling him a fascist is the reason he has the support he has.

Engage and debate instead of name calling is my best advice.

On the poll I’ve no wish to see a Lib Dem government but I’m at the point anything but a Tory/Labour one will do and this scenario was always on the cards.

 

[FantasyIreland]

The fact you all keep calling him a fascist is the reason he has the support he has.

I agree.

People are fed up with the liberal nonsense they hear on a daily basis so they see Farage as a viable way of protesting against such.

 

[urban genie]

The fact you all keep calling him a fascist is the reason he has the support he has.

Engage and debate instead of name calling is my best advice.

On the poll I’ve no wish to see a Lib Dem government but I’m at the point anything but a Tory/Labour one will do and this scenario was always on the cards.

He is called a facist because of the company he keeps and supports, doesn't need debating it is there to see.

Take our exit out of the equasion and he still supports and is close friends with facist, he also want to align the brexit MEPs with european raf right and facist parties in the European parliament.


There facts laid out so am I name calling him or just saying it as it is.

 

[urban genie]

I agree.

People are fed up with the liberal nonsense they hear on a daily basis so they see Farage as a viable way of protesting against such.

I ain't liberal and he is a facist, but not all the brexit party are, he is also very good at populism and lying.

Case in point he doesn't drink or smoke yet to give his everyman persona credibility loves the photoshoot in a pub with a cigar, mans a fraud.

 

[FantasyIreland]

I ain't liberal and he is a facist, but not all the brexit party are, he is also very good at populism and lying.

Case in point he doesn't drink or smoke yet to give his everyman persona credibility loves the photoshoot in a pub with a cigar, mans a fraud.

They're all self serving frauds,one or two are more tolerable than others but i don't see any worth my respect.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

The fact you all keep calling him a fascist is the reason he has the support he has.

Engage and debate instead of name calling is my best advice.

On the poll I’ve no wish to see a Lib Dem government but I’m at the point anything but a Tory/Labour one will do and this scenario was always on the cards.

I agree.

People are fed up with the liberal nonsense they hear on a daily basis so they see Farage as a viable way of protesting against such.

The worrying thing is how the casual accusations of facism/nazism so prevalent these days devalue the terms and sadly make it in some respects more likely that actual nazis / facists could get a foot in the door. Essentially the same as 'the boy who cried wolf '. So many cheap accusations of facism, nazism and anti-semitism floating around in political discourse at the moment that as a society we will become numb to these words eventually.

 

[blueinsa]

He is called a facist because of the company he keeps and supports, doesn't need debating it is there to see.

Take our exit out of the equasion and he still supports and is close friends with facist, he also want to align the brexit MEPs with european raf right and facist parties in the European parliament.


There facts laid out so am I name calling him or just saying it as it is.

No he is a right wing conservative and no amount of calling him a fascist will make it so.

 

[urban genie]

The worrying thing is how the casual accusations of facism/nazism so prevalent these days devalue the terms and sadly make it in some respects more likely that actual nazis / facists could get a foot in the door. Essentially the same as 'the boy who cried wolf '. So many cheap accusations of facism, nazism and anti-semitism floating around in political discourse at the moment that as a society we will become numb to these words eventually.

I don't call people facists lightly for that reason, calling any right winger a facist dilutes the arguement and allows legitimate facists to prosper.

do I think the tories are facist? No
Do I think the brexit party is facist? No

Do I think farage is ? Yes
Do I think Yaxley is a facist? Yes
Do I think Johnson is borderline or in bed with facists? Yes
Do I think theresa may is a facist? No
Do I think dominic Rabb is a facist ? No
Do I think ester McVey is a facist? No and evil fucker yes but not a facist.

 

[urban genie]

No he is a right wing conservative and no amount of calling him a fascist will make it so.

Well when he stops aligning with Italian facists and having tea with bannon I will change my mind.

 

[blueinsa]

Well when he stops aligning with Italian facists and having tea with bannon I will change my mind.

The alignment is in one area, a dislike of the EU and wanting to leave.

Bannon is a right wing conservative, not a fascist.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I don't call people facists lightly for that reason, calling any right winger a facist dilutes the arguement and allows legitimate facists to prosper.

do I think the tories are facist? No
Do I think the brexit party is facist? No

Do I think farage is ? Yes
Do I think Yaxley is a facist? Yes
Do I think Johnson is borderline or in bed with facists? Yes
Do I think theresa may is a facist? No
Do I think dominic Rabb is a facist ? No
Do I think ester McVey is a facist? No and evil fucker yes but not a facist.

I think I probably share your dislike of most of these folk. I'd also probably add a few more, but still don't agree that facist is an appropriate term to use to describe them. Yaxley maybe, but I honestly am not interested enough in what he has to say to find out. I notice you left the anti-semite corbyn off your list? - I don't think he is btw, but that's sort of my point.

 

[urban genie]

I think I probably share your dislike of most of these folk. I'd also probably add a few more, but still don't agree that facist is an appropriate term to use to describe them. Yaxley maybe, but I honestly am not interested enough in what he has to say to find out. I notice you left the anti-semite corbyn off your list? - I don't think he is btw, but that's sort of my point.

It was a list of right wingers so why would he be on it, ask me to list my opinion of left wingers and I will, but we were on about over using the term facist when talking about the right

 

[urban genie]

The alignment is in one area, a dislike of the EU and wanting to leave.

Bannon is a right wing conservative, not a fascist.

If you say so, but my definition of a conservative both in UK and US terms is not bannon.

Anyway we ain't gonna agree so no point clogging up the thread going back n forth

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

It was a list of right wingers so why wouldnhe be on it, ask me to list my opinion of left wingers and I will, but we were on about over using the term facist when talking about the right

Absolutely - I only mentioned Corbyns apparent credentials as the second coming of Dr Mengele in order to demonstrate a bit of balance and point out that hysterical use of language is not limited to describing those on the right.

 

[Ban-jani]

I think I probably share your dislike of most of these folk. I'd also probably add a few more, but still don't agree that facist is an appropriate term to use to describe them. Yaxley maybe, but I honestly am not interested enough in what he has to say to find out. I notice you left the anti-semite corbyn off your list? - I don't think he is btw, but that's sort of my point.

Corbyn is on the left that’s why.

He’s a fucking chump and an antisemite but not a fascist by definition.

With regards to Farage - he has certainly behaved like a fascist in the past but is now trying to distance himself from the current UKIP mob and Robinson.

I still think he’s pretty dangerous and is responsible for acts of fascism we see from the general public towards minority.

 

[urban genie]

Absolutely - I only mentioned Corbyns apparent credentials as the second coming of Dr Mengele in order to demonstrate a bit of balance and point out that hysterical use of language is not limited to describing those on the right.

And I agree anyone is just using facist to win an arguement, as is the modern way on social media for both left and right.

I genuinely believe Steve Bannon is a facist and so anyone aligned to him either is too or happy to be used by one, hence why I used it with fararge.

Would I have considered him a facist or aympathiser 4-5 years ago? No but turned a blind eye to it to happening in UKIP at times , people change and the more they bepieve in something the more they can turn rotten.

Same goes for Corbyn, was always a bennite, but has surrounded himself with more extreme parts of the left and is too weak/willing to properly deal with them