Joshua is no Lewis who in my eyes was an all time great . So Ruiz could well do this again .mcracken was very poor in Joshua’s corner aswell .
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In the 2nd and 3rd rounds up until the Ruiz knockdown it looked exactly like that was what he was doing. But as soon as he did that he went for the kill against a boxer that wasn't in a position to be put away, and Ruiz probably couldn't have believed his luck and he caught him with a couple of easy big counters. It hurt him bad and as a boxer who isn't used to being in such a precarious position so early he handled it poorly and got decked again. Joshua was wise enough in the 4th in that he did what he should, he kept his distance when he punched and boxed as conservatively as a top boxer should. But then he went dumb again and started going inside and Ruiz had every opportunity to chip away at him in the 5th and 6th, and in the 7th he was a gonner.Should Joshua, if he is good enough, not be able to weigh the fella up there and then to a decent extent? I mean it is not exactly theoretical physics. Surely a top boxer can adapt to the circumstances? I understand it counts to an extent but it surely can't be an excuse. A top boxer should be able to deal with any style and opposition body type.
Joshua didn't lose due to lacking the ability of a top boxer, he lost due to having the brain of a dunce. His positioning was lacklustre for large parts too.
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Is that something boxers can ever overcome. Like footballers are either smart or they are not, do boxers learn this often or do they generally stay the same?In the 2nd and 3rd rounds up until the Ruiz knockdown it looked exactly like that was what he was doing. But as soon as he did that he went for the kill against a boxer that wasn't in a position to be put away, and Ruiz probably couldn't have believed his luck and he caught him with a couple of easy big counters. It hurt him bad and as a boxer who isn't used to being in such a precarious position so early he handled it poorly and got decked again. Joshua was wise enough in the 4th in that he did what he should, he kept his distance when he punched and boxed as conservatively as a top boxer should. But then he went dumb again and started going inside and Ruiz had every opportunity to chip away at him in the 5th and 6th, and in the 7th he was a gonner.
Joshua didn't lose due to lacking the ability of a top boxer, he lost due to having the brain of a dunce. His positioning was lacklustre for large parts too.
Well like footballers can play more intelligently if they're coached well, the same is true for boxers (or any sports athlete). Joshua's a bit inexperienced too all things considered. If he uses this as a wake up call it could do him very well. For example if he stops focusing on his giant frame and his public image and gets back to the boxing gym he can recover. He's lost a lot of the slickness he used to have and he's not really built on his technique over the years.Is that something boxers can ever overcome. Like footballers are either smart or they are not, do boxers learn this often or do they generally stay the same?
When Canelo lost to Mayweather he started to work more and more on his defensive game and his performance against Jacobs was the apogee of his improvement.
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Cheers, i only ask because the automatic reference in my head is when you see fighters fuck the tactics off and are ready just to smash fuck out of each other. Was it Morales v Paq where they did that for 3 fights in a row or something? Benn was not averse to throwing it down either if memory serves. The viewers love to see that though so as tactically bad as it is, the excitement level does ramp up.Well like footballers can play more intelligently if they're coached well, the same is true for boxers (or any sports athlete). Joshua's a bit inexperienced too all things considered. If he uses this as a wake up call it could do him very well. For example if he stops focusing on his giant frame and his public image and gets back to the boxing gym he can recover. He's lost a lot of the slickness he used to have and he's not really built on his technique over the years.
When Canelo lost to Mayweather he started to work more and more on his defensive game and his performance against Jacobs was the apogee of his improvement.
I suppose that is different though isn't it as a smash up is an unspoken agreement seemingly between both that tactics can get out and it's just war. You think Joshua has lost focus in other aspects which led to him forgetting some of his training in the fight and losing it a bit? Yeah i can see how they would link. The hat certainly fits. If he does not post a Rocky montage of his training now i will be upset. You reckon he will ever sort himself to be a wrecking machine?
I never saw that Canelo fight, it was not advertised well for me, the casual fan. Is it worth downloading or did he just hammer the fella?
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Joshua gave up, didn’t have the guts to carry on. He will have lost a lot of fear factor with other fighters now.
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Tell you what though, Klitschko said it once and he was right - if you underestimate you’re opponent you’ve lost the fight before even getting in the ring.
Ruiz has over 100 amateur fights and has an excellent professional record. His only defeat has been a split decision against Parker.
AJ assumed he was some fat nobody but you can’t look at that man’s physique and relate it to his fighting record. He’s a seasoned and hard pro who knows how to box.
Not sure if it’ll be the best or worst thing that will happen in AJ’s career. But it’ll be one or the other. It’ll either refocus him and make him concentrate on improving his boxing skills and teach him to learn about his opponent properly before fighting him; or it’ll ruin his career.
Ruiz has over 100 amateur fights and has an excellent professional record. His only defeat has been a split decision against Parker.
AJ assumed he was some fat nobody but you can’t look at that man’s physique and relate it to his fighting record. He’s a seasoned and hard pro who knows how to box.
Not sure if it’ll be the best or worst thing that will happen in AJ’s career. But it’ll be one or the other. It’ll either refocus him and make him concentrate on improving his boxing skills and teach him to learn about his opponent properly before fighting him; or it’ll ruin his career.
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That’s definitely right for me. He’s the David Beckham of boxing. Obviously a decent boxer and can do some hugely impressive things but he’s more hype than substance deep down.How good do you really think he is then fella ? My problem is most people think he is the second coming of Christ because of the hype. It reminds me abit like Ricky Hatton. When he beat Kosta Tzyu who was on the decline a lot of people jumped on the Hatton bandwagon even some actually believing he would beat mayweather and manny pac -man . Don’t get me wrong Hatton was a great fighter but not elite . But the trouble with Joshua is the British public so want him to be the best fighter since Ali that they are blinded by this
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When did you?Also why did AJ start talking like a roadman
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I think he needs a couple fights against the lower rank and learn how to box properly and learn how to focus within a fight properly. Right now I think Fury runs rings around AJ and would tire him out and win on points, I think Wilder would knock him out.What dynamics will change now? I mean in respect of the picking and choosing of fights. Does that loss mean he now loses that power and others have more equal deal rights? Will he have to fight people his managers would not have fought previously? In short, how much does this darken his star?
Also what does this mean in general for the division? Will Wilder and Fury be ranked higher now or? Indeed what is Fury's next step.
Sorry for all the q's, kinda interested in this from a casual fan perspective.
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To be fair to McCracken, he was telling AJ in the corner, round after round, “you need to work around your jab” “get that jab going” “you need to win some rounds now, focus on the jab”...Joshua is no Lewis who in my eyes was an all time great . So Ruiz could well do this again .mcracken was very poor in Joshua’s corner aswell .
But AJ wasn’t listening! His mind was stunned and he was stuck focusing on that first knock down and saying “which punch was it?” two rounds after it happened. Then he said it again a round later, still dwelling on something from three round ago.
And wasn’t using his jab at all. He was ambling around the ring letting Ruiz grow in confidence.
Completely unprofessionally unfocused if you ask me. That’s shown up a huge flaw in his mentality!
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To be fair to McCracken, he was telling AJ in the corner, round after round, “you need to work around your jab” “get that jab going” “you need to win some rounds now, focus on the jab”...
But AJ wasn’t listening! His mind was stunned and he was stuck focusing on that first knock down and saying “which punch was it?” two rounds after it happened. Then he said it again a round later, still dwelling on something from three round ago.
And wasn’t using his jab at all. He was ambling around the ring letting Ruiz grow in confidence.
Completely unprofessionally unfocused if you ask me. That’s shown up a huge flaw in his mentality!
Unprofessional? Christ, you've answered your own question. Why do you think he was asking daft questions two rounds later? Why do you think he was laughing in the ring afterwards? Why do you think the medical team advised him not to do any interviews? Why do you think he was all over the place after round three?
He was concussed. Smashed. Brain completely frazzled. Trying to judge him for any of his actions after the first knockdown is just plain daft. You can question his punch resistane though, hence why he needs to box a lot smarter in the future.
To be fair to McCracken, he was telling AJ in the corner, round after round, “you need to work around your jab” “get that jab going” “you need to win some rounds now, focus on the jab”...
But AJ wasn’t listening! His mind was stunned and he was stuck focusing on that first knock down and saying “which punch was it?” two rounds after it happened. Then he said it again a round later, still dwelling on something from three round ago.
And wasn’t using his jab at all. He was ambling around the ring letting Ruiz grow in confidence.
Completely unprofessionally unfocused if you ask me. That’s shown up a huge flaw in his mentality!
I once spent 4 hours in Wythenshawe A&E with my teams keeper who had took a knee to the head in a 50/50. Asking me the same 7 questions on a loop about what had happened. He never lost consciousness, the game wasn't stopped, no free kick, played the last 20 minutes, it was only in the dressing room after we all realised he wasn't right
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Good points^^
Drew a conclusion without thinking he could be concussed!
Drew a conclusion without thinking he could be concussed!
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When did you?
Circa Summer 2013.
Machiavelli
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Were you suffering with concussion at the time?Circa Summer 2013.
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Were you suffering with concussion at the time?
No. My life was very, very hectic back then.
That’s definitely right for me. He’s the David Beckham of boxing. Obviously a decent boxer and can do some hugely impressive things but he’s more hype than substance deep down.
My Mrs’s older brother is absolutely boxing mad and has been saying for years that AJ is the Beckham of boxing.
He specifically used that term as well before.
He also said, years ago when he was getting laughed at for punching himself, that Fury will beat the best in the division one day.
Guess he was right considering the last 12 months.
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word on the street is aj was carrying a injury and was knocked spark out last week sparring joey dawejko.. who saw ajs old man going for eddie after the fight security had to stand infront of him.... the old man wanted him to be pulled out before the fight and eddie insisted he fought.
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I saw that rumour about him being KO'd in sparring in the comments of one of the buildup coverage videos and dismissed it as bullshit but the more I think about it, the more convinced I am there is something to it.
It seems a lot of people thought something wasn't right with AJ before the first bell even sounded, nervous energy. I dismissed it as it being due to the occasion but this was nothing compared to the Wlad fight logically thinking. Also Bruce Vayne was spot on when he said to look at AJs face after the first round, did that look like a guy ready to go all 12 rounds or was he breathing heavy already? The power didn't look there to me and the way he acted after knocking Ruiz down looked desperate, not measured, did Ruiz have to show amazing defensive work to avoid those 4-5 punches that missed the target and allowed him to counter so easily? I wouldn't have said so looking at the replays.
Also Wlad, Whyte, Parker, Povetkin... I don't buy into the "exposed" nonsense, he has fought better/harder hitting fighters than Andy Ruiz Jr and won. He could comeback from this but I don't think it's a given. Dare I say it but this has shades of David Haye's story about it, I hope it's not that serious(he's good for the sport any real boxing fan can see that) but we will just have to wait and see.
It seems a lot of people thought something wasn't right with AJ before the first bell even sounded, nervous energy. I dismissed it as it being due to the occasion but this was nothing compared to the Wlad fight logically thinking. Also Bruce Vayne was spot on when he said to look at AJs face after the first round, did that look like a guy ready to go all 12 rounds or was he breathing heavy already? The power didn't look there to me and the way he acted after knocking Ruiz down looked desperate, not measured, did Ruiz have to show amazing defensive work to avoid those 4-5 punches that missed the target and allowed him to counter so easily? I wouldn't have said so looking at the replays.
Also Wlad, Whyte, Parker, Povetkin... I don't buy into the "exposed" nonsense, he has fought better/harder hitting fighters than Andy Ruiz Jr and won. He could comeback from this but I don't think it's a given. Dare I say it but this has shades of David Haye's story about it, I hope it's not that serious(he's good for the sport any real boxing fan can see that) but we will just have to wait and see.