The Boxing thread

[Paul1970]

My Mrs’s older brother is absolutely boxing mad and has been saying for years that AJ is the Beckham of boxing.

He specifically used that term as well before.

He also said, years ago when he was getting laughed at for punching himself, that Fury will beat the best in the division one day.

Guess he was right considering the last 12 months.

Your brother knows his boxing fella

 

[Ban-jani]

Your brother knows his boxing fella

He’s obsessed with it, goes to every big fight in Manchester no matter who’s fighting.

I’m a bit of a day tripper with it. Watch the big names and am certainly no expert.

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

few reasons i feel AJ lost saturday.

Had his eyes set for what happens after the fight (Wilder, Fury etc)
His style of boxing has changed in recent fights.
He has way too much muscle
Too many people interfering in what goes on. He took over with him a group of 30. ridiculous
The switch of fighter wouldn't of done any favours but Ruiz was in camp just in case he was called upon.

There's been two rumours that he had an eye injury, ones an infection the other is he suffered a brutal ko in training.

 

[dannyboy29]

It's not like us city fans to go for the extreme is it haha!!
Only time will tell if he's as bad as people are now making out. It's heavyweight boxing where things can change in a second. He's lost a match haha give the guy a break.

 

[BlueHammer85]

It's not like us city fans to go for the extreme is it haha!!
Only time will tell if he's as bad as people are now making out. It's heavyweight boxing where things can change in a second. He's lost a match haha give the guy a break.

Yep. Agree. Think most of the stick is because of the hype he gets. Ignore the hype and we’re still blessed with a great boxer. He lost a match. It happens.

 

[Paul1970]

Yep. Agree. Think most of the stick is because of the hype he gets. Ignore the hype and we’re still blessed with a great boxer. He lost a match. It happens.

Good boxer fella not a great boxer and that is the problem . Someone said that he is the beckham of boxing and that is probably true. He reminds me of frank bruno a very one dimensional fighter . If you watch Ruiz he was throwing bombs with both hands while Joshua was just jabbing and his movement was shocking . Remember if dillian whyte would have had more about him he would have stopped Joshua in there fight and vlad would certainly have stopped him if he was younger and not at the end of his Career

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

Good boxer fella not a great boxer and that is the problem . Someone said that he is the beckham of boxing and that is probably true. He reminds me of frank bruno a very one dimensional fighter . If you watch Ruiz he was throwing bombs with both hands while Joshua was just jabbing and his movement was shocking . Remember if dillian whyte would have had more about him he would have stopped Joshua in there fight and vlad would certainly have stopped him if he was younger and not at the end of his Career

Dillian Whyte would get ko'd again if they fought again.

He should of lost the first match with Dereck Chisora & was losing the 2nd drastically until he ko'd del boy.

 

[Skip Donoghue]

Has someone else on here has already said Joshua reminds me of Frank Bruno physique of a body builder who can punch hard but has a suspect chin & gasses out far to easily .

That was me... Joshua was slow and predictable in the same way big Frank was and it wasn't a shock to me that he was finally found wanting, he isn't a great boxer and his footwork isn't the best either, he has power that's for sure but when your power isn't working where do you go, you need more, the media and his team have built him up to be a great but he isn't, he is up there due to the heavy weight division being the worst its been for decades
Fury is by far a better boxer, has decent footwork for a heavy weight and is comfortable boxing on the back foot, he also has size to tie fighters up when needed
I think Joshua needs to be active at least every 4-6 months to be at his best consistently, due to his build, being the world champion didn't allow him that
I think of all the greatest heavy weight boxers throughout history none of them had a physique like Joshua, they all carried a bit of meat on top

 

[Indaparkside]

He was very good marketing material, good looking, well mannered, etc etc?? Unfortunately even though ducking and diving the best!!! Tellytubby put him on his arse” he is now seen for what he really is a half decent fighter with a soft under belly

 

[Skip Donoghue]

This could be aj's Lewis v rahman moment if he avenges it, or like has been mentioned, he's just a modern day frank Bruno, time will tell. Hopefully he's learnt, like Lewis did, your most important fight is the next fight, not the perceived bigger ones after

Joshua will likely win a rematch, but he will never be as good a technician as Lewis, Lewis was an exceptional boxer and only lost like you say when his focus was not right, also having a trainer the level of Manny Steward was a big plus for Lewis
I'm not sure Joshua has that with MaCraken

 

[mccity]

Joshua will likely win a rematch, but he will never be as good a technician as Lewis, Lewis was an exceptional boxer and only lost like you say when his focus was not right, also having a trainer the level of Manny Steward was a big plus for Lewis
I'm not sure Joshua has that with MaCraken

Access to the best amateur facilities Sport UK can fund...

 

[Paul1970]

Dillian Whyte would get ko'd again if they fought again.

He should of lost the first match with Dereck Chisora & was losing the 2nd drastically until he ko'd del boy.

The point I’m saying is he rocked Joshua in the second round but didn’t have the brains like Ruiz to follow it up. Wouldn’t be so sure he gets knocked out next time they fight as from Saturday everyone will be wanting a piece of Joshua .

 

[VOOMER]

He has limited punch resistance, but Ruiz can punch. That said, there was zero ring craft on show from AJ.

 

[bluealf]

Joshua will likely win a rematch, but he will never be as good a technician as Lewis, Lewis was an exceptional boxer and only lost like you say when his focus was not right, also having a trainer the level of Manny Steward was a big plus for Lewis
I'm not sure Joshua has that with MaCraken

Wasn't Bruno in the process of giving Lewis a boxing lesson until the usual happened, at the very least I am sure he was ahead on points when he got the chin wobble lol

 

[jay_mcfc]

He has limited punch resistance, but Ruiz can punch. That said, there was zero ring craft on show from AJ.

Amongst the hyperbole they’re the two criticisms that stand up over a few fights. His chin is very suspect and his ring iq is low especially after he’s been clocked. He’s knocked out Vlad, Povetkin, Whyte and Brazeale and defeated Parker easily so he’s clearly a very good boxer. He’s not an all time, flawless great but not many are. All the heavyweights today have flaws. His biggest flaw is the fighter within that wants to entertain but he’s gonna have to be a better boxer if he wants to hold all the belts.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Lewis is the perfect example that Joshua should follow. He was a knockout king and exciting fighter until he got beat. He soon realized he had to avoid getting hit and fight behind his jab if he wanted to win all his fights. He had a cracking chin and still decided it was best to box boring.

But I have a feeling AJ wants to be in exciting fights and I don’t think he’ll be arsed if he loses 5/6 in his career. He’d be in good company if he did.

 

[VOOMER]

Lewis is the perfect example that Joshua should follow. He was a knockout king and exciting fighter until he got beat. He soon realized he had to avoid getting hit and fight behind his jab if he wanted to win all his fights. He had a cracking chin and still decided it was best to box boring.

But I have a feeling AJ wants to be in exciting fights and I don’t think he’ll be arsed if he loses 5/6 in his career. He’d be in good company if he did.

You can be exciting, but also make yourself hard to hit, that's why Ali was the greatest.

 

[Skip Donoghue]

Wasn't Bruno in the process of giving Lewis a boxing lesson until the usual happened, at the very least I am sure he was ahead on points when he got the chin wobble lol

Yes he was, Bruno had a good jab and used it well and as you say he was ahead before Lewis KOd him
This was Lewis early in his career and he used to think he could blow opponents away and to be fair he usually did,
But once Lewis got Manny Steward on board he changed him and he became a more patient boxer, with a lethal jab and excellent timing ect,
The Lewis that became world champion would've given big Frank a lesson IMO and is a major reason for me why Joshua maybe needs a better level of trainer

 

[jay_mcfc]

You can be exciting, but also make yourself hard to hit, that's why Ali was the greatest.

I think even AJ’a biggest fan boys realize he’s no Ali. He’s one of the best of recent era but he’s never going down as a great.

 

[mccity]

Cheers, i only ask because the automatic reference in my head is when you see fighters fuck the tactics off and are ready just to smash fuck out of each other. Was it Morales v Paq where they did that for 3 fights in a row or something? Benn was not averse to throwing it down either if memory serves. The viewers love to see that though so as tactically bad as it is, the excitement level does ramp up.

I suppose that is different though isn't it as a smash up is an unspoken agreement seemingly between both that tactics can get out and it's just war. You think Joshua has lost focus in other aspects which led to him forgetting some of his training in the fight and losing it a bit? Yeah i can see how they would link. The hat certainly fits. If he does not post a Rocky montage of his training now i will be upset. You reckon he will ever sort himself to be a wrecking machine?

I never saw that Canelo fight, it was not advertised well for me, the casual fan. Is it worth downloading or did he just hammer the fella?

Sorry, missed this. Yeah scrapping tactics is fun for the viewer but it's stupid for the boxer. Mayweather always did what he had to and look at his record. And that was off the back of a youthful start being an aggressive fighter, but he changed for the better. Look at City when they play these days, we go 1-0 down or it's level near the end we still play the same way, because that's what the best do, execute the gameplan.

Unless there's promoter shenanigans, I doubt boxers will agree to just scrap tactics for a show. It's always going to be more of a heat of the moment thing, adrenaline rush and loss of head thing. Joshua was definitely underprepared for this fight, although how exactly I can't say, I'm not enough of an expert to know.

I don't think Joshua should think about being a wrecking machine. I think that is the mentality that had him lose the fight. He needs to become Klitschko Jr and just use his size, strength, and athleticism and just box his opposition into submission. He should work on his defence and tactics. If you saw him fight Parker, that was the Joshua he needs to think about being (but better nonetheless). With the money Hearn has behind him he really ought to get an elite coach.

The Canelo-Jacobs fight wasn't particularly great. It was interesting and the quality was high but it wasn't a classic in terms of entertainment. It was close but Canelo was the fair winner.