Alexandole Boris de Pfeffel Johnson

[Ban-jani]

It matters not a jot what he thinks.
He's given you his opinion,he's wrong imo.
He can't quantify short term confidently,hence short term instead of 3 yrs or whatever.

I take it you disagree same as I do.
Do you think that if Boris would have claimed that"vote leave and we may have to sell off chunks of the nhs off but itll be ok in 5yrs " would have been a vote winner?

I honestly don’t understand the point you’re trying to make.

I do disagree with him but I was interested to see what timescales he thought things would start to turnaround.

 

[lust overlord]

I honestly don’t understand the point you’re trying to make.

I do disagree with him but I was interested to see what timescales he thought things would start to turnaround.

Thought this was the Boris Johnson thread.
;)
Even so he's guessing about timescales and the fallout same as you,me and uncle tom cobbley would be.
Forgive me if I'm butting in btw,on holiday in a bar on my own missus gone to bed early.

 

[Ban-jani]

Thought this was the Boris Johnson thread.
;)
Even so he's guessing about timescales and the fallout same as you,me and uncle tom cobbley would be.
Forgive me if I'm butting in btw,on holiday in a bar on my own missus gone to bed early.

Of course we’re guessing but I’d argue some of us are educated guessing :-)

I don’t mind butting in as long as people are polite, which you have been, it’s an open forum after all.

Enjoy the drinks.

 

[lust overlord]

Of course we’re guessing but I’d argue some of us are educated guessing :-)

I don’t mind butting in as long as people are polite, which you have been, it’s an open forum after all.

Enjoy the drinks.

Ha ha cheers mate I am.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Ha ha cheers mate I am.

congrats to @Ban-jani and @lust overlord - in the febrile atmosphere on here ( which I am guilty of joining in on ) a proper respectful and civilised debate - well done chaps !

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Can you three get a room, please.

 

[Vic]

I suspect that I have had a lot more interaction with the leaders of the Court Service and senior judiciary than your good self

So had the Krays.

You didn't know the judge in question was a woman. You think judges are easily embarrassed. You refer to the Court Service rather than the Courts Service (which hasn't been a thing since 2011) but I'll defer to your ability to interact with the higher echelons of society.

 

[mcfc1632]

Perhaps,who knows?

Maybe you should set up a crowd funding page to pay for a prosecution.
Gotta laugh at some of the people twisting themselves in knots defending Boris the bullshitter while pretending not to.

You are easily amused then

I just smile - so perhaps I am also easily amused - at the herd like mentality that sees people jump on the bandwagon on this and act as if this is anything other than a cheap stunt which if aimed at a politician that they support they would be calling out for the shallow exercise it is

People should be more honest with themselves IMO and leave off with the faux outrage - entirely just my opinion - but anyone supporting this nonsense is doing so because it is Boris Johnson and for no other reason

 

[mcfc1632]

Even your attempts at sarcasm are sadly rather pathetic.
Maybe you should give it a break here and go down the pub to bore the arse off your 11 imaginary mates instead.

Ha ha - bless

 

[mcfc1632]

It is.

It was a perfectly logical and lawful decision. I believe if she’d refused the allow the summons, that would have been more open to an interpretation of being politically motivated. The right of individuals to bring private prosecutions based on prima facie evidence is a longstanding common law right. The DJ was merely upholding that right. If you don’t like it as a matter of legal principle, I suggest you write to your MP.

What do you mean ‘from the viewpoint of the senior judiciary’ btw?

Fair enough - that is your opinion - as I say refreshing that people can hold and express different viewpoints - something not always tolerated on here IMO

 

[mcfc1632]

So had the Krays.

You didn't know the judge in question was a woman. You think judges are easily embarrassed. You refer to the Court Service rather than the Courts Service (which hasn't been a thing since 2011) but I'll defer to your ability to interact with the higher echelons of society.

So?...… it was 2001 - 2008 that I did a lot of work with them You asked if I knew - I guess I should have replied that I 'have a lot of dealings with' - rather than 'knew' which is a current tense

 

[mcfc1632]

I honestly don’t understand the point you’re trying to make.

I do disagree with him but I was interested to see what timescales he thought things would start to turnaround.

I nave answered that several times on the Brexit threads - best to stay on topic - but good to see some of you guys admitting....:

"......he's guessing about timescales and the fallout same as you,me and uncle tom cobbley would be...…"

Another refreshing change

 

[Ban-jani]

I nave answered that several times on the Brexit threads - best to stay on topic - but good to see some of you guys admitting....:

"......he's guessing about timescales and the fallout same as you,me and uncle tom cobbley would be...…"

Another refreshing change

Are you saying you’re guessing as well?

 

[mcfc1632]

Are you saying you’re guessing as well?

One man's guess is another man's educated assessment - I have been considering the issue of the EU for years before 2016 - I am not on of the Brexit JCLs on here - and I feel that my assessments are well founded

I have several times said 10years - depends on the manner in which we leave and the relationship/goodwill that endures

No doubt though in my mind - we will be better off in the future if we are ever able to leave - so it is only ever a question of time - but anyway - need to get back on topic

 

[Ban-jani]

One man's guess is another man's educated assessment - I have been considering the issue of the EU for years before 2016 - I am not on of the Brexit JCLs on here - and I feel that my assessments are well founded

I have several times said 10years - depends on the manner in which we leave and the relationship/goodwill that endures

No doubt though in my mind - we will be better off in the future if we are ever able to leave - so it is only ever a question of time - but anyway - need to get back on topic

That could mean 10 years of further austerity in which this country will be in a very dark place.

I don’t claim to know what the short term should be in terms of timescales or what we’ll look like in 50 years. I’m very much focused on what’s happened since the 2008 crash and how another recession will set us back and what it will mean for the hard work we’ve done since 2010 to get the deficit down.

Left wingers will say austerity was cruel and unnecessary to the poor and Tories will say it was necessary to keep a strong economy and get the deficit down.

I’m not going to argue for either of those points but what I will argue for is that I’m in no doubt that screwing the economy in the short term will leave the country paying for it in the long term.

We set about the recovery process in 2010, if anything even half as bad was to happen again, which it will with a hard Brexit, the recovery process will take longer than it has just done for the financial crash.

Anyway back to Boris, as you say. The man is seemingly willing to do this as long as he gets himself into Downing Street. It’s the epitome of selfishness and the epitome of careerism. May saw Brexit as the one mission to deliver successfully as Prime Minister and whilst her red lines fucked it up and failed her, I do believe she tried to do her best for what she believed the country voted for. Johnson is doesn’t give two fucks about anyone but himself, that can be seen in his private life.

 

[west didsblue]

Typical definitions for short, medium and long term would be 0-5, 5-10 and 10+ years respectively.

How anyone can be utterly convinced that we'd be better off in the long term (10 years +) is totally beyond me. It would be impossible to make the assessment when the time comes so it would be impossible to prove it one way or the other. Just saying it now is totally meaningless and complete bullshit.

The only thing that everyone seems to agree on is that Brexit will deliver a poorer Britain for at least the next 10 years, which is something we don't need and would be hugely detrimental to the vast majority of the population.

Back to Johnson. My prediction is that should he become party leader he will talk tough about a no deal Brexit, will get blocked by Parliament then will say that he's on the side of the people and against parliament. He will then propose a binding referendum so that Parliament will be bypassed. End of Brexit.

 

[Ban-jani]

Typical definitions for short, medium and long term would be 0-5, 5-10 and 10+ years respectively.

How anyone can be utterly convinced that we'd be better off in the long term (10 years +) is totally beyond me. It would be impossible to make the assessment when the time comes so it would be impossible to prove it one way or the other. Just saying it now is totally meaningless and complete bullshit.

The only thing that everyone seems to agree on is that Brexit will deliver a poorer Britain for at least the next 10 years, which is something we don't need and would be hugely detrimental to the vast majority of the population.

Back to Johnson. My prediction is that should he become party leader he will talk tough about a no deal Brexit, will get blocked by Parliament then will say that he's on the side of the people and against parliament. He will then propose a binding referendum so that Parliament will be bypassed. End of Brexit.

My thinking is if we believe the last decade has been terrible for the country both socially and politically, another decade of financial hardship will set us back even longer and make things a lot worse.

 

[mcfc1632]

How anyone can be utterly convinced that we'd be better off in the long term (10 years +) is totally beyond me. It would be impossible to make the assessment when the time comes so it would be impossible to prove it one way or the other. Just saying it now is totally meaningless and complete bullshit.

That is of course only your opinion

Mine is absolutely that if we stay in the EU we will have a continual deterioration. I am confident that we will certainly be better off if we have a genuine 'Leave' - and that will become obvious as we see the difficulties that are inherent in the EU model lead to its stagnation, fracture and a recession that imposes long-term austerity measures and bitterness

I will take no satisfaction when/should that happen - we ill of course suffer in the fallout - but, should we ever be able to get free, I will e glad that we are able to manage our own process of recovery.

A lot of Remainers, IMO live in the past and the now and do not seem to be able to see the future - just a matter of fact and I therefore understand how this makes people form their Remainer views - people are afraid of change.

The difference is that some of us are more than capable of allowing others to have their own opinions and do not feel the insecurity that results in having to shout others down

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I will take no satisfaction when/should that happen

Not even a little bit? ;-)...

 

[Didsbury Dave]

One man's guess is another man's educated assessment - I have been considering the issue of the EU for years before 2016 - I am not on of the Brexit JCLs on here - and I feel that my assessments are well founded

I have several times said 10years - depends on the manner in which we leave and the relationship/goodwill that endures

No doubt though in my mind - we will be better off in the future if we are ever able to leave - so it is only ever a question of time - but anyway - need to get back on topic

If that man were you it would be a guess, I'm afraid.