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João Félix
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I don't see how the stepping stone bit is relevant here.Great if your club is a stepping stone to others.
We're not. So it's too much money.
I provided you a fact that another club (Real Madrid) was ready to pay the same to his club (180 M) and even more since they had a special tax to pay (30 M) and that the player has an higher market value nowadays.
This makes your statement untrue even if we were a stepping stone.
We’re not going to sell KDB but he’s still worth a ton of money, thats an odd point you’re trying to make. And it’s definitely not unreasonable to think Mbappe would go for 200m+ today.Great if your club is a stepping stone to others.
We're not. So it's too much money.
Neville Kneville
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We’re not going to sell KDB but he’s still worth a ton of money, thats an odd point you’re trying to make. And it’s definitely not unreasonable to think Mbappe would go for 200m+ today.
I don't understand your point.
KDB wasn't too much money.
He is better than Mbappe.
kaz7
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Now list all the ones that have bombed here,just to be balanced likeNor were Bernardo, Aguero, KDB, Kompany, Zabaleta, Ederson, Laporte, Sané, Jesus, Fernandinho etc. etc. etc.
Who gives a fuck about Premier League proven? All our best transfers have had zero PL experience and been better for it. Do you know who was premier league proven? Fucking Bony, Sinclair and Rodwell.
De Ligt has similar amounts of experience to Bernardo, Ederson, Sané when we bought them, far more than Jesus.
De Ligt at €75m aka £66m is a fucking bargain compared to Harry Maguire at £80-90m, even if he takes half the difference home in wages.
Neville Kneville
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I don't see how the stepping stone bit is relevant here.
I provided you a fact that another club (Real Madrid) was ready to pay the same to his club (180 M) and even more since they had a special tax to pay (30 M) and that the player has an higher market value nowadays.
This makes your statement untrue even if we were a stepping stone.
No.
It was too much money. Far too much money. And is still too much now. We couldn't afford that kind of fee & still fix all the other positions.
If some clubs overpay for players, that's upto them. But we normally don't.
If they overpay, because they hope to get it back by selling, they are a stepping stone for others.
You brought up PSG being a stepping stone as if its somehow relevent to how much Mbappe is worth. And it’s clear that they didn’t overpay because Madrid would have also paid it at the time and he’s worth even more now if he were to be sold. Something is worth what someone is willing to pay for it, thats how markets work. Hope thats more clear for youI don't understand your point.
KDB wasn't too much money.
He is better than Mbappe.
Neville Kneville
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You brought up PSG being a stepping stone as if its somehow relevent to how much Mbappe is worth. And it’s clear that they didn’t overpay because Madrid would have also paid it at the time and he’s worth even more now. Hope thats more clear for you
You brought up KDB. We got him for a good price & he was the heart of the team. We didn't overpay.
Mbappe is only worth that money, if they sell him. Otherwise they vastly overpaid for him at the time.
It was far too much money for us to pay & would have fucked us up.
No he isn’t! The bolded part is nonsensical. Mbappe is worth 180m because if they went to sell him they would get even more than that back in the same way that KDB is worth 150m (or whatever) because if we went to sell him thats what we would get back. Whether PSG sells players and we don’t or if there is any intention to sell either player is not relevant in the slightest.You brought up KDB. We got him for a good price & he was the heart of the team. We didn't overpay.
Mbappe is only worth that money, if they sell him. Otherwise they vastly overpaid for him at the time.
It was far too much money for us to pay & would have fucked us up.
Neville Kneville
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No he isn’t! The bolded part is nonsensical. Mbappe is worth 180m because if they went to sell him they would get even more than that back in the same way that KDB is worth 150m (or whatever) because if we went to sell him thats what we would get back. Whether PSG sells players and we don’t or if there is any intention to sell either player is not relevant in the slightest.
We should just offer 300 mil for him then. He might be 'worth' that one day.
Fuck it.
Oh but hang on, that would mean he costs us 300 mil.
But really, he wouldn't though would he ? So he's free, in a way.
birchwoodgingerste
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Rumoured to be going athletico..
And city reportedly cooling our interest.
Could this be an agreement to finalise the rodri deal?
And city reportedly cooling our interest.
Could this be an agreement to finalise the rodri deal?
No, because we are not negotiating with Atletico. We are meeting his buyout clause.Rumoured to be going athletico..
And city reportedly cooling our interest.
Could this be an agreement to finalise the rodri deal?
If you had said that Mbappé is not worth it for City, as it wouldn't fit their spending policy, i would agree.We should just offer 300 mil for him then. He might be 'worth' that one day.
Fuck it.
Oh but hang on, that would mean he costs us 300 mil.
But really, he wouldn't though would he ? So he's free, in a way.
But City is not the club that defines the market value of a player.
At the time, Real paid 75 M€ for Zidane, around 90 M for Cristiano Ronaldo. Those were crazy fees at the time. There is much more money in the game right now and between his age, his feats and his hype, Mbappé value is very high.
Realistically, Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo, Neymar should have an higher value than Mbappé since they are better than him. However, there are a lot of factors that make Mbappé so bankable.
Your way of thinking reminds me of Bayern Munich. They are saying the same thing with Sané. They want the player but are saying that City is mad with their valuation of the player that doesn't reflect their own valuation.
Neville Kneville
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If you had said that Mbappé is not worth it for City, as it wouldn't fit their spending policy, i would agree.
But City is not the club that defines the market value of a player.
At the time, Real paid 75 M€ for Zidane, around 90 M for Cristiano Ronaldo. Those were crazy fees at the time. There is much more money in the game right now and between his age, his feats and his hype, Mbappé value is very high.
Realistically, Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo, Neymar should have an higher value than Mbappé since they are better than him. However, there are a lot of factors that make Mbappé so bankable.
He isn't worth the money you paid for him even now. It was far too much as a football signing.
If you'd signed Edin Dzeko instead, you'd have at least as many goals & about 5 other players & have beaten Utd.
Absolute bollocks fee.
The economics of the game don't work like that.He isn't worth the money you paid for him even now. It was far too much as a football signing.
If you'd signed Edin Dzeko instead, you'd have at least as many goals & about 5 other players & have beaten Utd.
Absolute bollocks fee.
I advise you to take a look at any report about his current value.
That we didn't get past MU is terrible. They were not better at any moment of the 180 minutes. But this has really nothing to do with a player value.
Juventus bought Cristiano Ronaldo for 100 M and couldn't get past Ajax. Does it mean his value is lower than Tadic ?
I could even apply your logic to City. City couldn't get past Tottenham while Tottenham didn't spend a single cent in the market. Does it mean that City overpaid ?
Neville Kneville
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The economics of the game don't work like that.
I advise you to take a look at any report about his current value.
That we didn't get past MU is terrible. They were not better at any moment of the 180 minutes. But this has really nothing to do with a player value.
Juventus bought Cristiano Ronaldo for 100 M and couldn't get past Ajax. Does it mean his value is lower than Tadic ?
So you'd rather sign another superstar for huge money than have a better team then ?
We wouldn't, as that would be 'too much money'.
See how it works ?
You are exactly saying here what i told you before : you consider he was overpaid because it doesn't fit City spending policy. And City is not the benchmark that decides a player value. Sorry to tell you that.So you'd rather sign another superstar for huge money than have a better team then ?
We wouldn't, as that would be 'too much money'.
See how it works ?
What I'm saying is Mbappé was "worth" that sum since there was another club that had agreed to pay and that his market value is higher now.
I make a real distinction between talent and market value. When some poster said he would propose Sane + 50 M for Mbappé, i replied it doesn't reflect their respective market value. But i fully aknowledge that if we talk about talent only, the value shouldn't be that far apart.
Neville Kneville
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You are exactly saying here what i told you before : you consider he was overpaid because it doesn't fit City spending policy. And City is not the benchmark that decides a player value. Sorry to tell you that.
What I'm saying is Mbappé was "worth" that sum since there was another club that had agreed to pay and that his market value is higher now.
I make a real distinction between talent and market value. When some poster said he would propose Sane + 50 M for Mbappé, i replied it doesn't reflect their respective market value. But i fully aknowledge that if we talk about talent only, the value shouldn't be that far apart.
So any player is worth whatever somebody else is willing to pay, even if you need five other players instead
Interesting idea.
We should have gone the extra yard for Pogba, Fred & Sanchez.
Since you talk about PSG, the overpaid transfers are the likes of:
-Jesé who was paid 25 M but can't get minutes at PSG , can't get minutes at Stoke on loan and that can't be sold,
-Krychowiac who was paid 30/40 M and who was not good enough to play in our midfield and is being offload to Russia for 11 M,
-Kurzawa who was bought for 25 M and is just useless,
-Paredes (ill give him some time) who is useless since his arrival this winter for 40 M
Not a player that was good on the pitch, best scorer this year and whose value is way higher than what we have paid.
-Jesé who was paid 25 M but can't get minutes at PSG , can't get minutes at Stoke on loan and that can't be sold,
-Krychowiac who was paid 30/40 M and who was not good enough to play in our midfield and is being offload to Russia for 11 M,
-Kurzawa who was bought for 25 M and is just useless,
-Paredes (ill give him some time) who is useless since his arrival this winter for 40 M
Not a player that was good on the pitch, best scorer this year and whose value is way higher than what we have paid.
It is.So any player is worth whatever somebody else is willing to pay, even if you need five other players instead
Interesting idea.
We should have gone the extra yard for Pogba, Fred & Sanchez.
Meanwhile, Sanchez and Fred values have decreased which means they have been failure.
Pogba is worth more than what MU paid for him and for all the hatred he gets, he is still one of their best players.