VAR (PL introduction 2019)

Another VARcical decision in the Nigeria v South Korea WWC match, with them spending 10 minutes reviewing and still missing an obvious hand ball for Nigeria’s goal.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
because what we've put up with for years is a joke - a ref and a couple of linos controlling a game at speed, with diving cheating players everywhere and a home crowd screaming for everything, a player goes down in the area and they are FORCED into a decision, if they are unsure they have to take a GUESS.
how is that fair ?

not only this, when they get the decision wrong - they get scrutinized and labelled as corrupt. its ridiculous.

any form of progress is the way to go, surely.
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I know what you're getting at and I agree with your sentiments but don't forget, you're talking to City fans here. So far, we've seen VAR at work regularly only in the CL. Before VAR, our CL games were often marked by bizarre decisions. Almost never in our favour. People on this site could give you a list as long as your arm going back to two first half penalties not given in Munich in 2011. Well, it's the CL what do you expect? It's normal, year after year. Then, VAR will sort it out. Or so most of us thought.

Last season we saw VAR in the flesh and as far as I can see, there's effectively no difference. 3 out of 4 of our knock out games, not ties, games were ruined by VAR. Even a game we won 7-0 had the enjoyment sucked out of it as they VAR'd 4, I think consecutive, goals when the game was already over. They didn't even add the time on for fans who'd paid maybe 30, 40, 50 quid and the rest to be there. I think the game at Schalke left every City fan with a bad taste in the mouth. Funny how the pitchside monitor stopped working for twenty minutes while the officials awarded the home team two penalties. The ref couldn't see replays of the incidents, so the VARs watching replays in some unknown location described to him what happened but nobody has ever heard what they said. No, I'm not making it up. The Tottenham game gave us more VAR bullshit. The ref only saw certain selected replays on the pitchside monitor and not from as many angles as people at home saw on their TV.

It's not the outcomes City fans object to, it's the special shitty process that seems to be reserved for our games because I've never heard of these things happening at other games. Even if you win 7-0, they can still ruin the game for you by VARing every fucking goal if they feel like it. What can you do about if you've already paid for your ticket and dragged your arse to the ground? The real question however, is will the Premier League copy UEFA and find ways to fuck up just our games with VAR or will they fuck up everybody's games equally and would that be progress?
 
BlueHammer85 said:
because what we've put up with for years is a joke - a ref and a couple of linos controlling a game at speed, with diving cheating players everywhere and a home crowd screaming for everything, a player goes down in the area and they are FORCED into a decision, if they are unsure they have to take a GUESS.
how is that fair ?

not only this, when they get the decision wrong - they get scrutinized and labelled as corrupt. its ridiculous.

any form of progress is the way to go, surely.
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If it's 'a joke' why did you
a, get into footy
B, continue to be into footy
and 3, is it now the biggest global sport.
 
The trouble with VAR is that the same useless officials who controlled matches before its introduction are now supervising the VAR control rooms.

They then look at the evidence and, unless it is clear cut, end up making the same stupid decisions they did before the advent of VAR.

I can not believe on the evidence they witnesed for the Otimendi handball that they could ever think it was deliberate. But the VAR screen mysteriously stopped working and UEFA as soon as they could after the match decided to change the handball rule to suit the VAR decision.

In the France v Norway WWC game this evening the fact that the French player jumped in with a two footed tackle was convieniently overlooked so they could award the French a penalty.

VAR will not work if the people operating it are at best idiots or even worse corruptable.
 
Gray said:
The trouble with VAR is that the same useless officials who controlled matches before its introduction are now supervising the VAR control rooms.

They then look at the evidence and, unless it is clear cut, end up making the same stupid decisions they did before the advent of VAR.

I can not believe on the evidence they witnesed for the Otimendi handball that they could ever think it was deliberate. But the VAR screen mysteriously stopped working and UEFA as soon as they could after the match decided to change the handball rule to suit the VAR decision.

In the France v Norway WWC game this evening the fact that the French player jumped in with a two footed tackle was convieniently overlooked so they could award the French a penalty.

VAR will not work if the people operating it are at best idiots or even worse corruptable.
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bent as fuck imo
 
There was talk of showing VAR replays on the screens in grounds. Has this been decided?

If so can we expect this to be a requirement for the Premier League so ManUtd and Liverpool to install screens?
 
BlueHammer85 said:
and all the incorrect embarrassingly wrong decisions we see on a weekly basis without VAR ?
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Not sure how you find them 'embarrasing' but referees have been getting things wrong since football was invented.
What we see in the modern era, and more so in the last couple of years, are tv companies focussing on the decisions made rather than the football. Sky love a good slo-mo and the clown that presents on bt is obsessed with wrong decisions to the point where the half time chat and clips focus solely on them and forget about the actual footy.
Watch nbcsn or foreign streams where half time is usually used to show actual highlights of the game. Very little is made refereeing decisions and there's never a few 'experts' blathering on about whether it should have been a throw in or foul.
 
stonerblue said:
Not sure how you find them 'embarrasing' but referees have been getting things wrong since football was invented.
What we see in the modern era, and more so in the last couple of years, are tv companies focussing on the decisions made rather than the football. Sky love a good slo-mo and the clown that presents on bt is obsessed with wrong decisions to the point where the half time chat and clips focus solely on them and forget about the actual footy.
Watch nbcsn or foreign streams where half time is usually used to show actual highlights of the game. Very little is made refereeing decisions and there's never a few 'experts' blathering on about whether it should have been a throw in or foul.
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Agree. But you just blames pundits and tv companies. What about the thousands that walk out the stadium moaning about the ref and how red card decision or penalty given had ruined the game, and then it’s all talked about on forums which leads to accusations that the ref was corrupt. It’s the fans who have led the way to where some technological help was needed for refs - you are literally saying refs have always got it wrong, so let it continue! If that’s the case then don’t moan when a clear obvious decision goes against your team.
 
Not a fan of VAR at all but if it absolutely has to happen(which of course it does) then here is my idea:

Use VAR for penalties, free kicks, sending offs etc by all means but abandon it for after goals have gone in. The way I see it, under the old system, say a goal went in, the referee signalled it, the players celebrated and then the linesman suddenly decided to flag for an offside, the goal would still be given because once a goal has been officially awarded there is no going back, that's the way it always was so why has VAR changed this?

Let the VAR ref look after things like red cards, fouls and other things the referee might have missed and let the linesman focus solely on offsides(making him more likely to get them right more often), but for God's sake, stop interfering with goals and playing with everyone's emotions. So that way everybody's happy, lots more right decisions and once goals are given by the ref they can't be ungiven.

Otherwise VAR will make me fall out of love with the game.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Agree. But you just blames pundits and tv companies. What about the thousands that walk out the stadium moaning about the ref and how red card decision or penalty given had ruined the game, and then it’s all talked about on forums which leads to accusations that the ref was corrupt. It’s the fans who have led the way to where some technological help was needed for refs - you are literally saying refs have always got it wrong, so let it continue! If that’s the case then don’t moan when a clear obvious decision goes against your team.
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Clear & obvious decisions go against our team with v.a.r.
 
SVP said:
not on the evidence of this tournament-or the champions(?) league this year.
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I thought it worked well, didn’t less the ‘entertainment’ factor and most decisions it gets right.
The handball against you should have been given - but at real play and certain angles it couldn’t been seen (without VAR it still would have been given) during champions league - Manchester City boss Pep Guardiola said he is "a big fan of VAR" despite his side conceding two penalties and having a man sent off in a Champions League last-16 first-leg win at Schalke’ I know that’s just his opinion. But can you imagine when you don’t get a penalty that should have been without VAR next season ?? He would be screaming for it. And so would majority of fans.
As I say, I still think it won’t be perfect for a long time yet , VAR has only been used once for World Cup and champions league and never for Prem - it is still very early days.
I just don’t like the fact major decisions are given by a ref who is forced to guess rather than allowing him to a second view or opinion by other officials watching it. At least when VAR gets it wrong we can really point the finger , rather than accepting a refs guess decision.
 
There won't be a last minute winner in the PL next season that isn't subjected to VAR. The conceding team will insist on it.

And then it will be up to the remote referee to apply his own brand of subjectivity. There's nearly always a reason to disallow a goal if you look hard enough.
 
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