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keith's curle
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This,not one ever comes to talk football just to bleat
Sorry Karen, I'm going to have to disagree with you there.
I get the impression that the majority of posters don't normally bother getting involved when anybody is name calling, arguing, or getting in to slanging matches as there's absolutely no point. As an extension of that, I don't usually bother saying anything when people post comments like yours, but for some reason I've decided to say something this time. It must be the close season boredom...
This isn't a criticism of you btw, just a general observation and it just happened to be your post that prompted me.
I agree with DeludedRed, he's completely right. I went on RAWK once, out of curiosity. It made our match day threads look like children's stories. There's no doubt it's got some of the dregs of humanity posting on there and with no holds (or comments) barred. Clearly this thread is nowhere near that level self-indulgent, bile spewing vitriol (but maybe some of that is down to the mods) but lets honest, there is no doubt that it's in the same vein and the thread is little more than a reflection of what so many claim is so wrong with RAWK - as DeludedRed said.
I'm perhaps lucky; I don't have to put up with reds of any kind at work, family or socially, so I don't have to defend myself against the stupidity of the masses. When I do cross paths with some shit-for-brains with a big mouth I can manage to avoid football as a topic, nod politely and then walk away, or, as a last resort, indulge in facts/sarcasm/a few choice swear words or whatever. Basically, I have no need to get too wound up which I realise is a luxury not everyone has.
That said, I come on here for football. Liverpool are our current rivals, and in our highest stakes seasons. There is almost no discussion on here about football, and certainly not with Liverpool fans because the only ones left are the few that can ignore the constant RAWKish vitriol from so many BMers. I get that so many City fans are pissed off with so many things right now, but to immediately attack every Liverpool fan that posts on here, tarring them all with the same brush is something I'd expect from RAWK. They aren't all the same, as everybody has to admit. I have a good few mates who are Liverpool fans as well as United and many others. They are normal everyday, sensible people. They aren't responsible for wrecking buses, throwing flares or posting poems on RAWK. They certainly didn't murder any Italians, especially the 'pool fans who weren't even born then! They are no more responsible for any of that than I am for any of the shit City fans did, even the stuff I saw, in the days when it was 'normal' - any that includes murder. Some of them aren't impressed with other Liverpool fans (no surprise there), or sometimes their club, but most of them are simply only interested in the football. However, you won't find them on this thread as it's just like RAWK.
If anybody wants to post on here about the shite responses from LFC about the things their fans do, I'm all for it. If anybody wants to point out that they hoovered up most of the armchair f**kwits when football switched from sport to tv based entertainment, I'll agree. But if someone says they won't talk football, then I'm sorry, but you couldn't be more wrong. The ones that come on here are usually wums because posters on this thread encourage them, and discourage genuine football talk. Even some of those who started off well and ended up wums probably id it because they lost patience.
I skip most of the posts in this thread because although the irony of BMers posting in a RAWKish manner about how bad RAWK is isn't lost on me, it stopped being funny long ago. If BMers want to let rip then there's nothing stopping them, but why does it have to be instead of football talk rather than as well as?
BTW, I was the one who suggested two threads - one for footie and one for spleen venting - and I still think it's a good idea.
Sorry Karen, I'm going to have to disagree with you there.
I get the impression that the majority of posters don't normally bother getting involved when anybody is name calling, arguing, or getting in to slanging matches as there's absolutely no point. As an extension of that, I don't usually bother saying anything when people post comments like yours, but for some reason I've decided to say something this time. It must be the close season boredom...
This isn't a criticism of you btw, just a general observation and it just happened to be your post that prompted me.
I agree with DeludedRed, he's completely right. I went on RAWK once, out of curiosity. It made our match day threads look like children's stories. There's no doubt it's got some of the dregs of humanity posting on there and with no holds (or comments) barred. Clearly this thread is nowhere near that level self-indulgent, bile spewing vitriol (but maybe some of that is down to the mods) but lets honest, there is no doubt that it's in the same vein and the thread is little more than a reflection of what so many claim is so wrong with RAWK - as DeludedRed said.
I'm perhaps lucky; I don't have to put up with reds of any kind at work, family or socially, so I don't have to defend myself against the stupidity of the masses. When I do cross paths with some shit-for-brains with a big mouth I can manage to avoid football as a topic, nod politely and then walk away, or, as a last resort, indulge in facts/sarcasm/a few choice swear words or whatever. Basically, I have no need to get too wound up which I realise is a luxury not everyone has.
That said, I come on here for football. Liverpool are our current rivals, and in our highest stakes seasons. There is almost no discussion on here about football, and certainly not with Liverpool fans because the only ones left are the few that can ignore the constant RAWKish vitriol from so many BMers. I get that so many City fans are pissed off with so many things right now, but to immediately attack every Liverpool fan that posts on here, tarring them all with the same brush is something I'd expect from RAWK. They aren't all the same, as everybody has to admit. I have a good few mates who are Liverpool fans as well as United and many others. They are normal everyday, sensible people. They aren't responsible for wrecking buses, throwing flares or posting poems on RAWK. They certainly didn't murder any Italians, especially the 'pool fans who weren't even born then! They are no more responsible for any of that than I am for any of the shit City fans did, even the stuff I saw, in the days when it was 'normal' - any that includes murder. Some of them aren't impressed with other Liverpool fans (no surprise there), or sometimes their club, but most of them are simply only interested in the football. However, you won't find them on this thread as it's just like RAWK.
If anybody wants to post on here about the shite responses from LFC about the things their fans do, I'm all for it. If anybody wants to point out that they hoovered up most of the armchair f**kwits when football switched from sport to tv based entertainment, I'll agree. But if someone says they won't talk football, then I'm sorry, but you couldn't be more wrong. The ones that come on here are usually wums because posters on this thread encourage them, and discourage genuine football talk. Even some of those who started off well and ended up wums probably id it because they lost patience.
I skip most of the posts in this thread because although the irony of BMers posting in a RAWKish manner about how bad RAWK is isn't lost on me, it stopped being funny long ago. If BMers want to let rip then there's nothing stopping them, but why does it have to be instead of football talk rather than as well as?
BTW, I was the one who suggested two threads - one for footie and one for spleen venting - and I still think it's a good idea.
Largely agree with this. It would be nice to be able to have a sensible football discussion about Liverpool, without people continually going on about just how much they fucking hate them. It gets a bit tiresome. Same goes for the United thread really. Just not sure starting a separate thread purely for vitriol is necessarily the solution, mind you! Will have a think about it though.
meeesh
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I don't have to put up with reds of any kind at work, family or socially, so I don't have to defend myself against the stupidity of the masses
then
I have a good few mates who are Liverpool fans as well as United and many others.
So which one is it ?
then
I have a good few mates who are Liverpool fans as well as United and many others.
So which one is it ?
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Liverpool must be the member of a girl group from Warrington. A girl from the underclass who struck it lucky and had a spell of glory but as hard as she tries to be classy, you know that skanky behaviour is only a moment away.
Her best days are behind her and she sits supping cheap wine, snorting cocaine and sneering as Little Mix bury her groups past achievements.
She might be able to get done up and can even look presentable on occasion but as good as she looks going out, you know she’ll end the night with mascara on her cheeks, her shoe missing a heel and her knickers round her ankles.
The poor sap who she dragged home from the pub is only there so he can laugh about it to his mates the next time “Whole Again” comes on the jukebox in their local.
Great analogy.
journolud
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Largely agree with this. It would be nice to be able to have a sensible football discussion about Liverpool, without people continually going on about just how much they fucking hate them. It gets a bit tiresome. Same goes for the United thread really. Just not sure starting a separate thread purely for vitriol is necessarily the solution, mind you! Will have a think about it though.
New season, fresh slate. I've been guilty of posting childish stuff on this and the United thread. I'm going to try and avoid it, at least until the first international break, and engage in proper discussion if possible. Or just leave it alone altogether.
Absolute whopper. But Dan you are correct everyone does hate Liverpool, not because of your success but as Goldstein comments because of self entitled, deluded bellends like yourself.Don't know if this has been posted, but if not listen to it. Absolutely fucking delusional this guy, but if you don't have the patience to listen to it all, then fast forward to 3:30.
https://talksport.com/football/558295/liverpool-fan-premier-league-rigged-manchester-city/amp/
keith's curle
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I don't have to put up with reds of any kind at work, family or socially, so I don't have to defend myself against the stupidity of the masses
then
I have a good few mates who are Liverpool fans as well as United and many others.
So which one is it ?
Fair point, it's not very clear. The first line you quote - "I don't have to put up with..." is the key. What I mean by that is that I'm not stuck with knobheads and can't avoid them in some way. All the fans of other clubs I know and have to mix with for any length of time are reasonable people and if they weren't I wouldn't have to talk football/they wouldn't be in a position to keep banging on about things. So the answer is both!
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Just not sure starting a separate thread purely for vitriol is necessarily the solution, mind you! Will have a think about it though.
Yes, you're right, a second thread wouldn't be a good thing to have. That said, as I'm not in a position to tell people what they can or can't post, or even influence their decision much, it was the best solution I could come up with.
The thread not turning into a feeding frenzy of mob hate and hypocrisy would be a far better solution.
Largely agree with this. It would be nice to be able to have a sensible football discussion about Liverpool, without people continually going on about just how much they fucking hate them. It gets a bit tiresome. Same goes for the United thread really. Just not sure starting a separate thread purely for vitriol is necessarily the solution, mind you! Will have a think about it though.
I’m sorry Ric, but you can’t separate both. You are almost advocating ‘fan washing’. ;-) That is the nature of football fans. Dislike(hatred), tribalism, bias. Etc. You know from the very second when the first bottle, can, flare, brick hit the City coach going to Anfield, that changed everything, and our relationship and friendship(?) with Liverpool fans (United are the the No1 enemy for both sets of fans) was over. The fact that LFC near enough condoned the attack on the City coach, and Merseyside Police failed to make a single arrest, only made matters worse. Then you had the Ederson incident at the Etihad. But long before those incidents Liverpool fans were already targeting City and City fans. In person, across the internet, and across social media. Corrupt, cheats, buying success, human rights, petro dollars, no history, blah, blah, blah. And why? Because City had stopped Liverpool winning the title on 3 separate occasions. Their Holy Grail. Forget the CL. The Gerrard slip, Crystal Palace away, when Liverpool conceded 3 late goals, and now beating Liverpool to the PL title by 1 point, has only added to Liverpool fans dislike(hatred) of City. City fans aren’t blameless. Singing the Gerrard chant, the Edin Dzeko chant, and most recently the Kiev chant. But City fans aren’t bothered if it winds Liverpool fans up. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if City fans genuinely think City are doing football a favour by stopping Liverpool from winning the PL title and trophies, as seen by the climax to the PL title race and Liverpool winning the CL.
I appreciate BM is your baby, so you can do what you want with it. And you run a tight ship between yourself and the mods, which is a good thing. But once you start separating, diluting , and splitting threads because you want general and passioned posts, and football posts separated, which will never happen, in my opinion, then you begin to dilute and change the essence of a fans forum. Are you going to do the same with the United thread and other threads? Where does it end? You know like all of us, dislike, passion, frustration, adulation, euphoria, etc, will spill over into any thread, regardless of it’s intended topic, or how it’s moderated. And that will apply to a Liverpool only football thread. It will continually have to be modded, locked, and cleaned up. But it’s your forum at the end of the day. :-)
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meeesh
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Fair point, it's not very clear. The first line you quote - "I don't have to put up with..." is the key. What I mean by that is that I'm not stuck with knobheads and can't avoid them in some way. All the fans of other clubs I know and have to mix with for any length of time are reasonable people and if they weren't I wouldn't have to talk football/they wouldn't be in a position to keep banging on about things. So the answer is both!
I get you,just,the thing is most of us will in some capacity know Liverpool and United and other fans,I used to work with a lad whose brother died at Hillsborough,and majority is banter,however let's look at (especially) last few seasons the things that have happened,from bricking buses to printing t shirts,they all like to be cast as one,so that's how they'll get treated at the end of the day.
Let me give you a prime example from my (last few months) experience,the butchers I use has Liverpool fans in it,and they know I'm City,believe me they know,one of them you can have a good general football chat and banter with,now the other would often glance over but say nothing,until recently,(title run in) he had plenty to say,so much so it almost escalated into a row in the bloody shop,I've heard you a few times he said,so he spewed a load of shite which I just laughed at.
Let's see I said,constantly praying every night that we would win the league,and on the day of the CL final he said to me it should have been City we playing tonight,another little dig,but I told him I was happy with the 4 we had took this season.
So the moral is that maybe they are not all knobheads,but the ones who are make it easier to treat them all as the same,and the laughable thing is,most of these have never seen their team win the league,must fucking kill them inside.
I’m sorry Ric, but you can’t separate both. You are almost advocating ‘fan washing’. ;-) That is the nature of football fans. Dislike(hatred), tribalism, bias. Etc. You know from the very second when the first bottle, can, flare, brick hit the City coach going to Anfield, that changed everything, and our relationship and friendship(?) with Liverpool fans (United are the the No1 enemy for both sets of fans) was over. The fact that LFC near enough condoned the attack on the City coach, and Merseyside Police failed to make a single arrest, only made matters worse. Then you had the Ederson incident at the Etihad. But long before those incidents Liverpool fans were already targeting City and City fans. In person, across the internet, and across social media. Corrupt, cheats, buying success, human rights, petro dollars, no history, blah, blah, blah. And why? Because City had stopped Liverpool winning the title on 3 separate occasions. Their Holy Grail. Forget the CL. The Gerrard slip, Crystal Palace away, when Liverpool conceded 3 late goals, and now beating Liverpool to the PL title by 1 point, has only added to Liverpool fans dislike(hatred) of City. City fans aren’t blameless. Singing the Gerrard chant, the Edin Dzeko chant, and most recently the Kiev chant. But City fans aren’t bothered if it winds Liverpool fans up. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if City fans genuinely think City are doing football a favour by stopping Liverpool from winning the PL title and trophies, as seen by the climax to the PL title race and Liverpool winning the CL.
I appreciate BM is your baby, so you can do what you want with it. And you run a tight ship between yourself and the mods, which is a good thing. But once you start separating, diluting , and splitting threads because you want general and passioned posts, and football posts separated, which will never happen, in my opinion, then you begin to dilute and change the essence of a fans forum. Are you going to do the same with the United thread and other threads? Where does it end? You know like all of us, dislike, passion, frustration, adulation, euphoria, etc, will spill over into any thread, regardless of it’s intended topic, or how it’s moderated. And that will apply to a Liverpool only football thread. It will continually have to be modded, locked, and cleaned up. But it’s your forum at the end of the day. :-)
Sorry mate, I think you misunderstood my post. I wasn’t advocating a separate thread. Just stating that it’d be nice to have a serious, sensible footballing discussion about them sometimes, given that they are likely to be our closest challengers again this season.
gordondaviesmoustache
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What about a general 'hate' thread, so that those overburdened with such sentiments can ventilate collectively?Sorry mate, I think you misunderstood my post. I wasn’t advocating a separate thread. Just stating that it’d be nice to have a serious, sensible footballing discussion about them sometimes, given that they are likely to be our closest challengers again this season.
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You have gone over the top Rick,and fantasy island deletes everything like hes the messiah. A lot of posters are genuinely not bothering anymore as it's become to pcSorry mate, I think you misunderstood my post. I wasn’t advocating a separate thread. Just stating that it’d be nice to have a serious, sensible footballing discussion about them sometimes, given that they are likely to be our closest challengers again this season.
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I’m sorry Ric, but you can’t separate both. You are almost advocating ‘fan washing’. ;-) That is the nature of football fans. Dislike(hatred), tribalism, bias. Etc. You know from the very second when the first bottle, can, flare, brick hit the City coach going to Anfield, that changed everything, and our relationship and friendship(?) with Liverpool fans (United are the the No1 enemy for both sets of fans) was over. The fact that LFC near enough condoned the attack on the City coach, and Merseyside Police failed to make a single arrest, only made matters worse. Then you had the Ederson incident at the Etihad. But long before those incidents Liverpool fans were already targeting City and City fans. In person, across the internet, and across social media. Corrupt, cheats, buying success, human rights, petro dollars, no history, blah, blah, blah. And why? Because City had stopped Liverpool winning the title on 3 separate occasions. Their Holy Grail. Forget the CL. The Gerrard slip, Crystal Palace away, when Liverpool conceded 3 late goals, and now beating Liverpool to the PL title by 1 point, has only added to Liverpool fans dislike(hatred) of City. City fans aren’t blameless. Singing the Gerrard chant, the Edin Dzeko chant, and most recently the Kiev chant. But City fans aren’t bothered if it winds Liverpool fans up. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if City fans genuinely think City are doing football a favour by stopping Liverpool from winning the PL title and trophies, as seen by the climax to the PL title race and Liverpool winning the CL.
I appreciate BM is your baby, so you can do what you want with it. And you run a tight ship between yourself and the mods, which is a good thing. But once you start separating, diluting , and splitting threads because you want general and passioned posts, and football posts separated, which will never happen, in my opinion, then you begin to dilute and change the essence of a fans forum. Are you going to do the same with the United thread and other threads? Where does it end? You know like all of us, dislike, passion, frustration, adulation, euphoria, etc, will spill over into any thread, regardless of it’s intended topic, or how it’s moderated. And that will apply to a Liverpool only football thread. It will continually have to be modded, locked, and cleaned up. But it’s your forum at the end of the day. :-)
Really good post mate and accurate
Liverpool must be the member of a girl group from Warrington. A girl from the underclass who struck it lucky and had a spell of glory but as hard as she tries to be classy, you know that skanky behaviour is only a moment away.
Her best days are behind her and she sits supping cheap wine, snorting cocaine and sneering as Little Mix bury her groups past achievements.
She might be able to get done up and can even look presentable on occasion but as good as she looks going out, you know she’ll end the night with mascara on her cheeks, her shoe missing a heel and her knickers round her ankles.
The poor sap who she dragged home from the pub is only there so he can laugh about it to his mates the next time “Whole Again” comes on the jukebox in their local.
Brilliant
You have gone over the top Rick,and fantasy island deletes everything like hes the messiah. A lot of posters are genuinely not bothering anymore as it's become to pc
Haha, wanting to have a proper discussion sometimes is going “over the top”?!
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Not at all but at the end of the day it's a football forum?? This forum is very good on policing the posts from mods, to members if they see something that is wrong, but don't drift to far away from the normal football supporter as it will become something people will stop being interested in. Healthy rivalry is very good. Posts are being deleted everywhere for minor things ricHaha, wanting to have a proper discussion sometimes is going “over the top”?!
Not at all but at the end of the day it's a football forum?? This forum is very good on policing the posts from mods, to members if they see something that is wrong, but don't drift to far away from the normal football supporter as it will become something people will stop being interested in. Healthy rivalry is very good. Posts are being deleted everywhere for minor things ric
Posts never get deleted for no reason mate. Is there anything specific that you feel has been removed unnecessarily? Happy to look into it if you want to PM me.
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I get you,just,the thing is most of us will in some capacity know Liverpool and United and other fans,I used to work with a lad whose brother died at Hillsborough,and majority is banter,however let's look at (especially) last few seasons the things that have happened,from bricking buses to printing t shirts,they all like to be cast as one,so that's how they'll get treated at the end of the day.
Let me give you a prime example from my (last few months) experience,the butchers I use has Liverpool fans in it,and they know I'm City,believe me they know,one of them you can have a good general football chat and banter with,now the other would often glance over but say nothing,until recently,(title run in) he had plenty to say,so much so it almost escalated into a row in the bloody shop,I've heard you a few times he said,so he spewed a load of shite which I just laughed at.
Let's see I said,constantly praying every night that we would win the league,and on the day of the CL final he said to me it should have been City we playing tonight,another little dig,but I told him I was happy with the 4 we had took this season.
So the moral is that maybe they are not all knobheads,but the ones who are make it easier to treat them all as the same,and the laughable thing is,most of these have never seen their team win the league,must fucking kill them inside.
Yeah, I can get that, and even agree with most of what you're saying. I get what jrb said in the post before yours, the relationship has largely got toxic and it's mostly the fault of some (or most, if you want to put it that way) Liverpool fans. But that's not what I'm getting at.
If people want to come on here and sound off then I don't have a problem. Some of it (most, in my opinion) is over the top to the extent that it's become a poor version of RAWK. The thread turns into a feeding frenzy of hate and hypocrisy with posters feeding off the others and the levels of vitriol rising and rising.
But even then, that's not the whole problem. Football debate - the main reason for the forum - isn't allowed to happen, especially with Liverpool fans. If they dare to come on here they get attacked relentlessly and viciously. Some posters seem to be getting their retaliation in first, but others are clearly doing it because they can. You say in your post not all 'pool fans are knobheads and you're right. They also aren't their club's owners, or even the club itself. If a 'pool fan comes on and turns out to be a wum, then the mods are well and truly able to sort them, should they not get chased away by BMers (me included). But if they aren't here to wum then attacking them isn't about them, it's about the BMer. Nobody has to engage with them if they don't want to, and can ask why they go on other club's forums and all the rest, but, ffs, this is a football forum and if we stop football talk on here then it says a lot about us.
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