Again, what has price got to do with his abilities?
I just dont see any argument when a poster says we should touch him for x but if we can get him for y, that would be ok. I can only think that they are worried what their mates might say - crazy logic imoAgree. Loads expect a player to live up to his price tag instead of his talents. Clubs need to pay crazy money. It’s about making sure you get the player you really want.
And yes, we have been part of turning the market as it is. So I have no calms paying over the odd. What is paying over the odds anyway? You can only judge such when a player stops playing for your club.
No... It simply means for price Y, we might be able to get a better player.I just dont see any argument when a poster says we should touch him for x but if we can get him for y, that would be ok. I can only think that they are worried what their mates might say - crazy logic imo
I assume he is suggesting that £80M to £90M would be too high a price for Harry Maguire. I agree with him, but would go further and say £60M would be too much as well, but he isn’t crap
No... It simply means for price Y, we might be able to get a better player.
Why not offer 250 million for Salah? Coz you can offer that for Mpabbe instead. That's the reasoning. And it's a legitimate one.
This is exactly what I was saying. IMO VVD is a better player and cost less than what is being quoted for Maguire. Maguire is a good player don't get me wrong but he is 26 and he isn't worth more than VVD which is why I said £60m is fair. If we are going to pay £80m+ get De Ligt as he is better value due to his age.
Again, what has price got to do with his abilities?
It's not about ability it's more a case of value. He is 26 and yes he is an England International but so is Stones. Are we saying Stones is worth more than the £50m we paid for him? hardly. I'm just saying that he should not cost more than VVD as VVD is a better player and De Ligt would be better value for anything like £80m+ because he is younger.
We know City won't go above their own valuation of a player which is why I said the Maguire deal is dead, Maguire could force the issue himself if he really wants to come to us but that doesn't mean Leicester will budge on the valuation.
I get that. I'm saying the reason why people say that is because they are considering the opportunity cost and not just the player in a vacuum.I think you totally misunderstood.
Some are saying they would be happy with Maguire for £x but not happy with him for £y. Whether he cost £x or £y, you are still getting the same player i.e. his contribution is no better or worse because of what he cost
Might not look so bad with the hood up !
I get that. I'm saying the reason why people say that is because they are considering the opportunity cost and not just the player in a vacuum.
Yes, you get the same player at either price, but at price X there probably wasn't any better player you could have gotten instead, at price Y there is.
Thus, it makes sense to like Maguire at 45 million ( as all the other players you could have gotten at that price were no more likely to be successful), however at 90 million perhaps you could lure a De Ligt or a Koulibally.
It's the opportunity cost that makes him unlikeable at price Y vs price X
I think lots of people knew how good VVD would be.No one new how really good vvd would be and why we balked at the 75m fee
I think lots of people knew how good VVD would be.
And I don't think we balked. He was just set on going to Pool. And that's fine
Wrong. Price point and fit are both considerations. If the club thinks Maguire is worth 90 million that's there evaluation. But I'm explaining the reasoning behind a fan saying I like player A at price X but not price Y.We wont buy cheap because a player is cheap
If any player is the right player for us, his cost is immaterial and, if we deem £90m for Maguire is acceptable, then we obviously think he is irrespective of the price tag of others.
I know people hate statistics here, but he had Been a top 5 defender statistically in Europe's top 5 league for 2 years prior to and the season he moved and the #1 defender his last year at Southampton. He was already World Class at Southampton... Just needed a big club move.Thinkbwe did balk at the fee but yep he was tapped up had a chat with klopp so his heart was set on Liverpool. Think we thought he was good player but not as good as we thought he was going to be last season where he was world class.
We wont buy cheap because a player is cheap
If any player is the right player for us, his cost is immaterial and, if we deem £90m for Maguire is acceptable, then we obviously think he is irrespective of the price tag of others.
Thinkbwe did balk at the fee but yep he was tapped up had a chat with klopp so his heart was set on Liverpool. Think we thought he was good player but not as good as we thought he was going to be last season where he was world class.
I know people hate statistics here, but he had Been a top 5 defender statistically in Europe's top 5 league for 2 years prior to and the season he moved and the #1 defender his last year at Southampton. He was already World Class at Southampton... Just needed a big club move.
we will leave it there as we obviously see things differentlyWrong. Price point and fit are both considerations. If the club thinks Maguire is worth 90 million that's there evaluation. But I'm explaining the reasoning behind a fan saying I like player A at price X but not price Y.
Even our front office does the same thing. We wanted Sanchez , but at a specific price. He became more expensive and we passed. I.e.they liked him at price X but not Y.
Agreed. He showed similar capacity at Southampton, but the Balon dor considerations only come when you do it on the big stage.Fair enough personally rather really judge a player at a top team when the pressure is on and you have to win games.