The Labour Party

I bet Jamie Oliver could tell you.

But seriously yes I agree - the fact that kids go to school hungry and that parent need food banks in this country is a fucking disgrace. I have heard people say its only a minority of kids who get no breakfast before school like thats an excuse and of course Raab said people who use food banks are "just having a temporary cashflow problem" like they are a business and its ok.................fucking state of this country - I'd trust Jamie Oliver to fucking run it more than the twats at the moment and his businesses are going bust hand over fist !!!
I don't need Jamie Oliver to tell me. I don't need anyone. As a parent I'm quite capable of ensuring my kids eat well-balanced meals each and every day. And it costs very, very little. I work in a school with a huge number of pupils eligible for free school meals and we give free breakfasts for many, many children. The problem isn't cost. The problem is shite parenting. Cannot and will not take responsibility.
 
And there are a good number of traditional/long-standing Labour voters on here that think exactly the same way

If we are a reflection of the UK electorate - then Labour will continue to miss the opportunity because we far out-number the 'purists'

Their best chance is a protest vote by sufficient numbers that do not understand the threat

A party hijacked by purists is straight out of Daily Mail speak. Labour has not been infiltrated, hijacked, bushwhacked or taken over.

If you're looking for entryists, look no further than the New Labour crowd, Blair and Brown convinced the Labour Party that the problem it had with the electorate was the party itself and so they eradicated the old party and set up New Labour, the fresh new third way alternative.

Labour is re-emerging from the tory-lite soup of the third way, while trying to come to terms with the death rattle of Blairism.

It's not complicated, it's not rocket science and this explanation of what is happening has one overwhelming thing going for it, it is the unalloyed truth.
 
I don't need Jamie Oliver to tell me. I don't need anyone. As a parent I'm quite capable of ensuring my kids eat well-balanced meals each and every day. And it costs very, very little. I work in a school with a huge number of pupils eligible for free school meals and we give free breakfasts for many, many children. The problem isn't cost. The problem is shite parenting. Cannot and will not take responsibility.

I absolutely agree mate - I sent mine to school with proper food and they came home to a proper home cooked meal - they are 21 and 23 now and both cook proper food for themselves and understand what place food has in life and in health - I shiver at the sight of kids being sent to school with money to buy stuff. I see them in local supermarkets buying packets of custard cream biscuits for lunch !!
 
A party hijacked by purists is straight out of Daily Mail speak. Labour has not been infiltrated, hijacked, bushwhacked or taken over.

If you're looking for entryists, look no further than the New Labour crowd, Blair and Brown convinced the Labour Party that the problem it had with the electorate was the party itself and so they eradicated the old party and set up New Labour, the fresh new third way alternative.

Labour is re-emerging from the tory-lite soup of the third way, while trying to come to terms with the death rattle of Blairism.

It's not complicated, it's not rocket science and this explanation of what is happening has one overwhelming thing going for it, it is the unalloyed truth.

Its true isn't it? The real disillusioned are those "soft Tory" voters who found New Labour a sop to their views and gave them around 15 years to flip flop between their right"ish" views - those 15 years out of @ 150 years of Labour Party views is precious to them and they miss it - they overlook the body of history and are quite angry at "Red Ed" and now Corbyn - neither of whom are as extreme left as Labour has been in the past. New Labour was hijacked by the right for their own ends and now they are pretty pissed Labour has been taken back by its natural electorate.
 
There are many, many things wrong in our country and the capture of the Labour Party by trade union backed Marxists is among the worst of them. By making my party unelectable it's the likes of you not me giving the Tories full rein to fill their friends pockets at the expense of our public services and standard of living.

Can you explain the Marxist inference, can you explain why they are anti democratic please?

Come on, its not hard, you can type.
 
The 2011 referendum didn't really demonstrate a huge appetite on the part of the voters for electoral reform. I'm not sure why that would change in the forseeable future. Unfortunately we're stuck with the existing system for decades to come.
The disadvantages of the existing system are more obvious now than they were in 2011.
 
The party is not unelectable, that's just what you choose to believe.

And because you choose to believe that, it's not your party.
Do you do any canvassing for the party? Unfortunately there's no way to record "yes I'd vote Labour but not with your current leader".
 
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A party hijacked by purists is straight out of Daily Mail speak. Labour has not been infiltrated, hijacked, bushwhacked or taken over.

If you're looking for entryists, look no further than the New Labour crowd, Blair and Brown convinced the Labour Party that the problem it had with the electorate was the party itself and so they eradicated the old party and set up New Labour, the fresh new third way alternative.

Labour is re-emerging from the tory-lite soup of the third way, while trying to come to terms with the death rattle of Blairism.

It's not complicated, it's not rocket science and this explanation of what is happening has one overwhelming thing going for it, it is the unalloyed truth.
And by and large (at least round our way) it's the longstanding members not the new ones turning out to tramp the streets.
 
Its true isn't it? The real disillusioned are those "soft Tory" voters who found New Labour a sop to their views and gave them around 15 years to flip flop between their right"ish" views - those 15 years out of @ 150 years of Labour Party views is precious to them and they miss it - they overlook the body of history and are quite angry at "Red Ed" and now Corbyn - neither of whom are as extreme left as Labour has been in the past. New Labour was hijacked by the right for their own ends and now they are pretty pissed Labour has been taken back by its natural electorate.
Absolutely.

The problem with history is its wrote according to the views of the writer. The Labour party today is more a reflection of Atlee than Blair. Atlee had the benefit of being around before the macarthyite witch hunts against anybody on the left. Blair took the Labour Party rightwards and the UK began to reflect the USA. Both main parties were pro-capital, this opened the door to the populists. Labour always had a long tradition of being the Patriotic party, it was the working class who did most of the dying in wars that protected the capitalist class. In many ways a typical Labour voter was a small C conservative, they valued family,community and tradition. Blairs embrace of capital helped destroy those roots that had been fermented under Thatcher, he was her true heir and so far removed from typical Labour it is astonishing. He failed many because he refused to repeal Thatcherite reform and even stuck to the Tory spending plans. He did some good of course and it would be churlish of me to say different. What he did though was alienate the left, he was and remains a metropolitan liberal. He more than anyone alienated the Labour heartlands and gave hope to the populists.

Corbyn reflects more traditional Labour, more Bennite than Blair and people have eradicated the memory of the Wilson successes and even carry on with the fallacy that it was Wilson who caused the three day week. Now we have the Daily Mailification of the country it is hard to get true Labour values across because the likes of George Hannah insist Labour is a Marxist party and of course buys all the old tropes aimed at it by the capitalist class. We hear about cultural Marxism, taken from the Nazis Cultural Bolshevism which is an old anti semitic trope aimed at the left by the right and its nonsense. Marx didn't write about culture for a start. Labour has also allowed itself to become identarian which is counter to traditional Labour values, of the course the party should always fight for the rights of minorities but it should not be defined by them.

Corbyn has popular policies, few now argue against renationalising the Railways, many want the energy companies brought back into public ownership, calls for rent controls are on the increase, many understand the tax system favours those with capital not those without. The problem is the message, when you have a media dominated by the capitalists you will not get a fair hearing, you get mockery and are told Corbyn is dangerous, he s only dangerous to them.

I have never understood why the working class vote against their own interests and elect Tories, it bewilders me as they do not have the working class interests at heart, they are the party of capital and always have been. We are at this time facing the biggest political upheaval of our generation and somehow people believe that Hunt or Johnson are the answer, two people so far removed from the working class it is unbelievable, but the British do forelock tugging better than anyone and I simply cannot see how a Tory is a better option to cure the ills of our nation than a proper Labour government. It is fair enough people believe Brexit is the way forward for our nation, I would probably support a Lexit option as I am not convinced by the pro capital EU, but on the biggest issue of the day people voted for more neo-liberalism not less and that is what you will get from the next Tory PM whoever it maybe.

I could go on for hours but will leave you with this simple thought. Johnson is a **** and so is ****, please don't buy it, think of the people of this nation and fuck them off for good.
 
Absolutely.

The problem with history is its wrote according to the views of the writer. The Labour party today is more a reflection of Atlee than Blair. Atlee had the benefit of being around before the macarthyite witch hunts against anybody on the left. Blair took the Labour Party rightwards and the UK began to reflect the USA. Both main parties were pro-capital, this opened the door to the populists. Labour always had a long tradition of being the Patriotic party, it was the working class who did most of the dying in wars that protected the capitalist class. In many ways a typical Labour voter was a small C conservative, they valued family,community and tradition. Blairs embrace of capital helped destroy those roots that had been fermented under Thatcher, he was her true heir and so far removed from typical Labour it is astonishing. He failed many because he refused to repeal Thatcherite reform and even stuck to the Tory spending plans. He did some good of course and it would be churlish of me to say different. What he did though was alienate the left, he was and remains a metropolitan liberal. He more than anyone alienated the Labour heartlands and gave hope to the populists.

Corbyn reflects more traditional Labour, more Bennite than Blair and people have eradicated the memory of the Wilson successes and even carry on with the fallacy that it was Wilson who caused the three day week. Now we have the Daily Mailification of the country it is hard to get true Labour values across because the likes of George Hannah insist Labour is a Marxist party and of course buys all the old tropes aimed at it by the capitalist class. We hear about cultural Marxism, taken from the Nazis Cultural Bolshevism which is an old anti semitic trope aimed at the left by the right and its nonsense. Marx didn't write about culture for a start. Labour has also allowed itself to become identarian which is counter to traditional Labour values, of the course the party should always fight for the rights of minorities but it should not be defined by them.

Corbyn has popular policies, few now argue against renationalising the Railways, many want the energy companies brought back into public ownership, calls for rent controls are on the increase, many understand the tax system favours those with capital not those without. The problem is the message, when you have a media dominated by the capitalists you will not get a fair hearing, you get mockery and are told Corbyn is dangerous, he s only dangerous to them.

I have never understood why the working class vote against their own interests and elect Tories, it bewilders me as they do not have the working class interests at heart, they are the party of capital and always have been. We are at this time facing the biggest political upheaval of our generation and somehow people believe that Hunt or Johnson are the answer, two people so far removed from the working class it is unbelievable, but the British do forelock tugging better than anyone and I simply cannot see how a Tory is a better option to cure the ills of our nation than a proper Labour government. It is fair enough people believe Brexit is the way forward for our nation, I would probably support a Lexit option as I am not convinced by the pro capital EU, but on the biggest issue of the day people voted for more neo-liberalism not less and that is what you will get from the next Tory PM whoever it maybe.

I could go on for hours but will leave you with this simple thought. Johnson is a **** and so is ****, please don't buy it, think of the people of this nation and fuck them off for good.
If only we could have the socialist policies and a competent leader.
 
Its true isn't it? The real disillusioned are those "soft Tory" voters who found New Labour a sop to their views and gave them around 15 years to flip flop between their right"ish" views - those 15 years out of @ 150 years of Labour Party views is precious to them and they miss it - they overlook the body of history and are quite angry at "Red Ed" and now Corbyn - neither of whom are as extreme left as Labour has been in the past. New Labour was hijacked by the right for their own ends and now they are pretty pissed Labour has been taken back by its natural electorate.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/news...n-jeremy-corbyn-over-brexit-stance/ar-AADOUtu
 
Do you do any canvassing for the party? Unfortunately there's no way to record "yes I'd vote Labour but not with your current leader".

I've recently moved, so not for the local party where I presently live, but I did in Norwich for Clive Lewis.
 
And by and large (at least round our way) it's the longstanding members not the new ones turning out to tramp the streets.

Lots of youngsters in Norwich, but that had a lot to do with Clive Lewis.

As for the leader, I canvassed for Labour under Blair, so I'm not picky.

Labour is a bit like City for me, managers come and go, players change, but my support remains.

Right now I'm seriously considering leaving Labour, but it's nothing to do with Corbyn.
 
Can you explain the Marxist inference, can you explain why they are anti democratic please?
Come on, its not hard, you can type.
I don't think it really needs further explanation, as you well know the current leadership of the party is self-identified as Marxist. That ideology requires the working class to become the ruling class in a truly democratic society. The proletariat aren't required to vote for their salvation in such a system, the bourgeois state will simply wither away under their dictatorship. The hard part is not typing this, it's understanding that anyone who lived through the 70s in the UK should still be promoting class warfare.
 
CON: 24% (+2)
BREX: 23% (+1)
LDEM: 20% (+1)
LAB: 18% (-2)
GRN: 9% (-1)

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I don't think it really needs further explanation, as you well know the current leadership of the party is self-identified as Marxist. That ideology requires the working class to become the ruling class in a truly democratic society. The proletariat aren't required to vote for their salvation in such a system, the bourgeois state will simply wither away under their dictatorship. The hard part is not typing this, it's understanding that anyone who lived through the 70s in the UK should still be promoting class warfare.

Text book false consciousness.

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As true here as over there.
 

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