The Labour Party

Ban-jani said:
You may as well remain if you’re leaving under a Labour Brexit, that much we agree on.
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Indeed we do, if you're voting Labour now, you're a remainer, basically, although there's yet another fudge
of not quite, possibly or maybe, that looks like their position now. Which means they're going to alienate their leave
voters completely, most of their northern base, in essence. I can only surmise they've done some sums and are prepared
to lose a lot of seats, and get into some form of coalition with the Libs/Greens etc; should they gain enough seats to do so.
A big risk, as the Brexit party, if Boris fucks it up, or indeed off, will clean up the Tory vote and will have these seats at
their mercy, although the Libs may get some.
 
Gaudion M said:
Corbyn belives in conspiracy theories. He does not trust the EU as he thinks they are all capitalist scum blairites controlled by jews. He wants the tories to carry on ballsing up as long as it takes for a GE where he assumes he will win (wrongly).

He wont get drawn on his reasons as they are bat shit crazy.
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I'll give you bat shit crazy.....

"He (Corbyn) does not trust the EU as he thinks they are all capitalist scum blairites controlled by jews."
 
robbieh said:
So you are suggesting that every political party should support Brexit because 52% of the population voted that way. Are Remainers supposed to have noone to vote for in a GE?
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Yeah, it's a strange take. Did they genuinely expect the opposition parties to just unequivocally back leave?!
 
Turning around and saying they'll support Remain 18 months too late is actually worse than what they were doing before.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Knock me down with a feather!
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Corbyn wants my vote.

The Labour party wants my vote.

I'm 49 next and since i was 18 years old they have always had my vote the last EU election aside where i voted for the Brexit party.

Now i know you dont think that's an issue but i do on a personal level and i think the party will do when many like me across the nation feel similar.

My issue with Corbyn and co, Antisemitism issues aside that needs to be effectively dealt with is i dont believe a word that comes out of their mouths re brexit as a Labour leave supporter and i can see why many Labour remain supports feel the same way.

I honestly feel he is unelectable.
 
George Hannah said:
Former Labour General Secretary Lord Triesman has just resigned from the Labour Party over its institutional anti-semitism.
"In a letter to the Shadow Leader of the House of Lords, former General Secretary Lord Triesman said he had taken the "painful decision" to resign from the Labour whip with "immediate effect".
The Labour peer cited anti-Semitism had "become clearer in the top leadership" and the party's governing body, the National Executive Committee.
"Anti-Semites are shielded and solid and serious Party members are thrown out unceremoniously," his letter said.
"And each new manifestation is followed by a grim parade of social media messages directed as Jewish Party members."
The letter finished: "We may one day be the Party of anti-racism once again, but it certainly isn't today."

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/labour-peer-quits-party-over-anti-semitism/
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FAKE NEWS!

It's all bullshit stirred up by the RW media.

(Is the response I'm expecting from certain posters).
 
Ric said:
Yeah, it's a strange take. Did they genuinely expect the opposition parties to just unequivocally back leave?!
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Yes, and in their defence leavers have some justification in believing this.

Parliament voted to honour the result of the referendum, the last three years have not been about the result, but about the manner of our leaving.

Labour's position today may not be everyone's cup of tea, but at least it gives leavers the chance to hard Brexit via a referendum if they want, Johnson will soon find out that Parliament will not allow him to do so unilaterally.

So in the end I think Johnson might opt for a second referendum under the guise of breaking the impasse in Parliament.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Indeed we do, if you're voting Labour now, you're a remainer, basically, although there's yet another fudge
of not quite, possibly or maybe, that looks like their position now. Which means they're going to alienate their leave
voters completely, most of their northern base, in essence. I can only surmise they've done some sums and are prepared
to lose a lot of seats, and get into some form of coalition with the Libs/Greens etc; should they gain enough seats to do so.
A big risk, as the Brexit party, if Boris fucks it up, or indeed off, will clean up the Tory vote and will have these seats at
their mercy, although the Libs may get some.
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I agree they must have and I believe they had little choice. 4th place in the polls is record breaking-ly bad and appreciating the polls are often wrong, even if they are at this stage, and the truth is in Labour’s favour, they still must be short and comfortably so.

Had they gone further to leave, they alienate 80% of their membership and probably more voters than if they go to Remain. Sitting on the fence has proven a disastrous policy, which they should have guessed given how divisive the subject in question is.

Also, going further to leave isn’t really an option, between the Brexit Party and Johnson’s Tories they’ll have the working class, middle class and obviously upper class leave vote sewn up.

The next GE will be a battle for which coalition gets in and it’ll be Lab/Lib/Green vs Tory/BP in England for Remain vs Leave.
 
blueinsa said:
Corbyn wants my vote.

The Labour party wants my vote.

I'm 49 next and since i was 18 years old they have always had my vote the last EU election aside where i voted for the Brexit party.

Now i know you dont think that's an issue but i do on a personal level and i think the party will do when many like me across the nation feel similar.

My issue with Corbyn and co, Antisemitism issues aside that needs to be effectively dealt with is i dont believe a word that comes out of their mouths re brexit as a Labour leave supporter and i can see why many Labour remain supports feel the same way.

I honestly feel he is unelectable.
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They want to be all things to all people. They want to please everyone by pretending they are 'compromising' - they need to decide a position, a proper position and stick to it. Although it is probably too late as they appear to be fighting yesterday's arguments

They should come out and say, clearly, we will back Leave under X, Y , Z i.e a better proposition than we have no or at least a road-map to a better Britain. However if X, Y and Z cannot be achieved then we need a rethink. But those days are gone, long gone
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Labour staying on the fence has resulted in them being 4th in the polls, and a leader with a minus 58%
approval rating, so fence sitting ain't doing too well. Plus, Labour's position is staying in A customs union and
single market, so remaining, basically.
Anyway, we'll see.
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Which poll the last 2 they were top and the 2 before that were second.

Edit a new you gov poll out tomorrow has Lab 4th but the question is slanted towards a johnson delivered brexit rather than general polling.


And it isn't fence sitting, they are commited to follow through on the referendum in this parliament, but in the event of a new ref will campaign for remain, as like last time, seems crystal to me.

What they do in a GE is another thing and would only be clear once a manifesto was published, till then it is just gossip and inuendo from the gutter press and guido fawkes.
 
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urban genie said:
Which poll the last 2 they were top and the 2 before that were second.

And it isn't fence sitting, they are commited to follow theough on the referendum in this parliament, but in the event of a new ref will campaign for remain, as like last time, seems crystal to me.

What they do in a GE is another thing and would only be clear once a manifesto was published, till then it is just gossip and inuendo from the gutter press and guido fawkes.
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Yep.

The usual suspects are spouting "too little too late" or "nothing's changed"

Which tells me it has.
 
blueinsa said:
I disagree mate.

labours position, that of Corbyn, his right hand man and plenty in his shadow cabinet is to leave the EU but let others do all the work and hopefully gain power down the line free of brexit and the EU.

He just wont admit to it and everything we see and hear is neither here nor there because he isnt in power and doesnt have to deliver on anything.
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And probably never will... not while I have a hole in my arse...

Leader of Greenpeace? Maybe, Prime Minister of the UK? Fuck No
 
George Hannah said:
Former Labour General Secretary Lord Triesman has just resigned from the Labour Party over its institutional anti-semitism.
"In a letter to the Shadow Leader of the House of Lords, former General Secretary Lord Triesman said he had taken the "painful decision" to resign from the Labour whip with "immediate effect".
The Labour peer cited anti-Semitism had "become clearer in the top leadership" and the party's governing body, the National Executive Committee.
"Anti-Semites are shielded and solid and serious Party members are thrown out unceremoniously," his letter said.
"And each new manifestation is followed by a grim parade of social media messages directed as Jewish Party members."
The letter finished: "We may one day be the Party of anti-racism once again, but it certainly isn't today."

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/labour-peer-quits-party-over-anti-semitism/
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I find it odd that this post has been ignored by the Labour supporters who are active in this thread.

Maybe they just haven't seen it yet.
 
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