The Conservative Party

kevin horlocks wand said:
That’s a completely different example to the one your mate used. The one you describe is wrong.

Or is this thread so silly now you respond to people with a completely different illustration to the one I responded to which was about a rich bloke spending HIS OWN MONEY to cure a form of cancer.

Your illustration is about thePUBLIC MONEY being used and exploited by drug companies. Which is wrong.
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My argument would be that there's not much difference .....
 
1.618034 said:
How is it a "fuck off" to voters by having another vote?

It's more of an "Are you sure?"

Not that I particularly want another one. But if there is one it can't be Remain v No Deal, it has to be Remain vs A Deal. There can't be an option that has no viable plan. parliament won't allow it. So then we come to what plan...? The only plan, that has agreement from HMG and the EU, has failed to pass Parliament, so how can we vote on something Parliament won't pass? Which brings us back to the beginning of the infinite loop!

IMO Brexit is long dead and someone needs to have the balls to revoke A50 so we can unlock all the stockpiles and postponed investment.


Whoever finally flushes the turd will go down as a national/international hero, given the inevitable boom and collective sigh of relief that will follow across most of Europe. I still hold out a hope/belief that Boris Johnson just might be the person to do that and get away with it.
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Agree. Any 2nd ref has to be against something that is deliverable. However for me that is a massive issue as we all know that the current WA is not going to change much and it is massively unpopular - therefore the leave camps will prefer to have no deal on the ballot. I don't think that is deliverable - I dont think you would ever elect a HoC with a majority for it and/or competence to deliver it. So I have an issue with a 2nd ref - I think I'd rather just abandon the whole thing. The first was advisory - we need to ignore that advice.

My preference on how to get out would be to have a clear Remain / Pro Eu party that campaigns on a platform of remaining and wins an outright majority in a GE and then withdraws A50 and the whole debate is put to bed for 5 years. It won't ever go away but 5 clear years where it is of the agenda would be such a great step forward from the mess of the last 3 years / next 12 months.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Certainly not making any excuses for Cameron - but what has come to light since the referendum is that he was working with the likes of Rogers in those negotiations

No wonder the EU never felt they need to make any movement. I have continually said that the EU will not make movement until they are faced with the a viable walk-away option and the political will to use it. We should have been working full-steam for 3 years on putting in place the initiatives/programme to allow us to have a viable No-Deal.

That, IMO, was an obvious fact then - and is a glaringly obvious fact now.
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This is the point for me... it's the simple art of negotiation, have something you are prepared to use that the person across the table doesn't want

That's what makes the noise from Major and any other person saying lose no-deal or don't even contemplate circumventing parliament to force WTO sound so insane.. Hunt would be the EU's choice so hopefully (not that I like the guy) the Tory voters will do the right thing.

Boris is the only person who just might force the EU back to the table...
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
Is that because all money whether public or private belongs to everyone in some utopian love fest?
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No ... because any money invested in research either private or public should be either reimbursed once it passes into the corporate world or the initial 'investors' should have a share in the profits. (that may be by way of discounted prices)

The example I gave of the Parkinsons treatment was a true story and the subject of a documentary (BBC i think)... the British taxpayer was fleeced out of £30 million and got nothing back ..
 
aguero93:20 said:
Yes, it hasn't.
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No it has
Bluemanc100 said:
You can rant all you like but It would actually be a second referendum .... that’s the point.. i.e. we didn’t like the outcome of v1 so let’s have another... that’s a big “fuck off” to the nation or perhaps to the voters anyway
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Its a big fuckoff to the twats who tried to con a nation with racist propaganda and deliberate LIES, so stick that with the rest of lies. And every brexit blagger knows it..
 
Bluemanc100 said:
This is the point for me... it's the simple art of negotiation, have something you are prepared to use that the person across the table doesn't want

That's what makes the noise from Major and any other person saying lose no-deal or don't even contemplate circumventing parliament to force WTO sound so insane.. Hunt would be the EU's choice so hopefully (not that I like the guy) the Tory voters will do the right thing.

Boris is the only person who just might force the EU back to the table...
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I can hear the laughter from Strasbourg from where Im sat......
 
1.618034 said:
How is it a "fuck off" to voters by having another vote?

It's more of an "Are you sure?"

Not that I particularly want another one. But if there is one it can't be Remain v No Deal, it has to be Remain vs A Deal. There can't be an option that has no viable plan. parliament won't allow it. So then we come to what plan...? The only plan, that has agreement from HMG and the EU, has failed to pass Parliament, so how can we vote on something Parliament won't pass? Which brings us back to the beginning of the infinite loop!

IMO Brexit is long dead and someone needs to have the balls to revoke A50 so we can unlock all the stockpiles and postponed investment.


Whoever finally flushes the turd will go down as a national/international hero, given the inevitable boom and collective sigh of relief that will follow across most of Europe. I still hold out a hope/belief that Boris Johnson just might be the person to do that and get away with it.
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And if the vote in that case was for remain do we go for best of 3?

The only vote that anybody could realistically propose is "Deal" or "WTO"

nobody needs the balls to revoke A50.. .quite the contrary, they need to have the balls to leave..
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
I can hear the laughter from Strasbourg from where Im sat......
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Desperate times call for desperate measures.. again, you are talking like the EU have nothing to lose

Do you think they would accept a no-deal Brexit knowing they had a chance to avert it?

I'm pretty fucking sick of people who can't see that we have something to offer as a nation! The doom and gloom is sickening
 
Bluemanc100 said:
Do you think they would accept a no-deal Brexit knowing they had a chance to avert it?
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Yep. Better a no deal than caving to the likes of Boris fucking Johnson and Nigel Farage. It'll hurt us, but it'll hurt you a lot more. Work away.
 
Bluemanc100 said:
Really? I'm pretty confident that they'll talk to whoever becomes the PM once announced

It's the same as Trump.. the man's a bit of a dick but guess what, people are still talking to him
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This the same Trump that our Taoiseach refused to meet at his golf course in Clare?
 
Bluemanc100 said:
I'd call that bullshit...
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We are the only reason that you got the last extension and we got you that for the sake of the citizens of Northern Ireland. There's a vast majority of European countries that just want you to fuck off on any terms and want it over and done with. There's a few that still want a deal, but not enough to sway it without our support. Play hardball over the border and you won't have our support. So go ahead, go for it.
 
according to what I heard earlier 72% of Tory members have already voted of which 77% back Johnson. Why are they persisting with this farce - wasting yet more time.
 
Bluemanc100 said:
This is the point for me... it's the simple art of negotiation, have something you are prepared to use that the person across the table doesn't want

That's what makes the noise from Major and any other person saying lose no-deal or don't even contemplate circumventing parliament to force WTO sound so insane.. Hunt would be the EU's choice so hopefully (not that I like the guy) the Tory voters will do the right thing.

Boris is the only person who just might force the EU back to the table...
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It is indeed Janet and John stuff - but it has not been understood - very few on here get it.

3 years FFS - we could have done so much to have managed the impacts of No-Deal during that time

The EU would certainly have then worked with the UK to arrive at a deal with which both sides are happy with - I have said many times that leavers have far more reason to be pissed off with May and that utter incompetent Robbins than Remainers do.

And a 2nd vote?

Remain Vs Leave has ben done

The options would have to be No-Deal Vs the WA
 
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