Away tickets

im struggling to see the big fuss about the collection of tickets as long as the club keep the amount collecting to a reasonable level. all collections will be dealt with by club staff at the ground so theres no travelling out of the way involved.

1. Having to buy photo ID (fair enough if abroad but not for UK games), 2. having to queue for god knows how long (they look in boxes for several minutes), 3. if you are delayed on route you are fucked. 4. Some one can't make it you will be dealt with as tehy do not accept returns in the last week. 5. You will be turning in hoping they have your ticket and no guarantee.

The CM rep is already talking about a rolling system, but that will not work with no away points this season. They haven't got a clue what they are doing, and are just throwing out one daft idea after another.
 
Looks that way. I may be jumping the gun here, it's possible that they just forgot to put the '40 points for attending' content on or I missed it, but if I'm not...

It means that the current hierarchy has been set in stone. You are where you are in the pecking order now. No moving up or down. No need to worry that you will fall further behind by skipping early rounds (midweek away) of the League cup. No chance to move up and qualify for Bournemouth away in your own right instead of relying on points whores. Once you're no longer young enough to qualify for the ballot you'll be as far behind as ever and you'll never have a chance to catch up.

Lets take the most meritocratic system in the Premier League and remove the meritocratic bit from it.

Genius.
It will be interesting to see what happens now though. If high points can’t be arsed going to Bournemouth and early cup games etc then surely that means that other fans get a chance to go to games that they never would have had a chance to attend.
If we don’t sell these tickets then the club can say they tried something and it never worked so they can go back to points again. Personally, I think the former. High points supporters don’t need to worry as they will always have first shout.
 
Well reading his Twitter feed he's stating it takes two minutes to pick these tickets up from away clubs tickets offices.

Also, which will please @squirtyflower this one about civil liberties.



Incorrect.

Another answer, a misguided perception.

At Heyside, there was coach(es) transport for every single game 2018/19, we went directly to the ground for Watford (Traffic and Tradition), Stretford, Bournemouth (Distance) Burton (Recommendation) Crystal Palace (Distance and Kick off time) and Spurs CL (Tradition and New ground).


6 from 28. If kick off times were different 3 from 28.
 
It will be interesting to see what happens now though. If high points can’t be arsed going to Bournemouth and early cup games etc then surely that means that other fans get a chance to go to games that they never would have had a chance to attend.
If we don’t sell these tickets then the club can say they tried something and it never worked so they can go back to points again. Personally, I think the former. High points supporters don’t need to worry as they will always have first shout.

It's the mid pointers who are getting shafted here.

As you say we will have to see how this plays out over the course of the season.
 
Yeah I agree with that.

Not sure why they don’t just do a ballot.

I’m glad younger people will have a better chance though, our away crowds have got quieter recently and it’s the same old faces stood with arms folded.

A ballot is a definite no go will turn into a touts dream.

As for quiet at away games I am not sure which ones you've been to. The only fans that are quiet are the ones so pissed they can not stand up. Half the time its like the late 80s with half the fans fucked out of their head.
 
But he didn't mind getting a ticket unfairly for united last year.
That's different though. I know someone who doesn't qualify for tickets rang up someone at the ticket office for an away game last year that sold out at higher than expected points and was asked how many he/she wanted. Five please and lo and behold five were posted out. Now if there are 50 people doing that each game there's two hundred and fifty tickets just going out of the door. Add that to the abuse of the corporate tickets, those found on reseller sites etc and there are probably more than 50% of tickets 'sold' for an away game being done so unfairly. Why hasn't City Matters been looking at that. If I have a ticket for a game but become ill or my missus decides to book a surprise night away not realising I have a ticket why can't I pass it on to mate who lost out on points as I can't send it back to the club the day before. Why do supporter club branches get emails stating there are returns and who wants them, why don't they get put back on sale to those who lost out on points etc i.e. everyone. The whole system is flawed and it won't suit everyone but this new system will piss off more than before but it's ok because those that like the idea will still get their hands on a ticket for any game they want.
 
Just read the OS statement briefly.

The club have played a blinder on this one.

No away points.

But points for all home games, including cup games.

So, now I’m forced to rejoin the FA Cup and League Cup schemes that I decided to drop out of, to make up missing out on the now stopped away points.

Prestwich Blue.

Not going to call you. You can’t win.

And I know you don’t post on here anymore.

So I would like you to forward a reply from the club on to Ric or to a Mod, please.

Can you find out from the club if the Collect in Destination checks also apply to Tunnel Club members and other corp members, or is it only season ticket holders?

I stand corrected on this, but don’t Tunnel Club Members get 1 away ticket each? If so, where are they ending up, because I’m 99% sure most of those away tickets don’t get used by the Tunnel Club members. They are either sold or passed on. Do the checks include sponsors as well, who get free away tickets?

Can you also ask the club to explain why resale ticket sites manage to get hold of away tickets and sell them on at inflated prices. The club are fully aware of this, and always have been. Can you ask the club what they are actively doing to stop this, because it is still going on.

If the club are doing random checks on season ticket holders, they should be doing random checks on Tunnel Club members, corporates, and sponsors, or are they not being randomly checked?

I look forward to your reply.

Many thanks.
 
That's different though. I know someone who doesn't qualify for tickets rang up someone at the ticket office for an away game last year that sold out at higher than expected points and was asked how many he/she wanted. Five please and lo and behold five were posted out. Now if there are 50 people doing that each game there's two hundred and fifty tickets just going out of the door. Add that to the abuse of the corporate tickets, those found on reseller sites etc and there are probably more than 50% of tickets 'sold' for an away game being done so unfairly. Why hasn't City Matters been looking at that. If I have a ticket for a game but become ill or my missus decides to book a surprise night away not realising I have a ticket why can't I pass it on to mate who lost out on points as I can't send it back to the club the day before. Why do supporter club branches get emails stating there are returns and who wants them, why don't they get put back on sale to those who lost out on points etc i.e. everyone. The whole system is flawed and it won't suit everyone but this new system will piss off more than before but it's ok because those that like the idea will still get their hands on a ticket for any game they want.

I know a lad who got 4 for Brighton from someone that has a distant link to someone in the club. None of them had anywhere near the required points. Suppose this has happened since day one though.
 
what is the corporate intensive for away tickets anyway. i doubt many deals have been made stood in the pissing rain in Sheffield...
 
On reflection, I don’t think the new system is going to make that much difference in the short term (apart from those inconvenienced by the collection) and will gradually become fairer, once those at the top of the ladder (presumably aged 50+) start to pick and choose their away games rather than attending every fixture.

For the moment they’ll still have first bite at the cherry, whilst the points whores (if they really do exist) will not benefit from buying and selling their tickets for the less attractive games, merely to qualify for the Old Trafford derby.

What it won’t change (and this is far more prevalent than points whoring) is supporters occasionally buying and selling their tickets to mates when they’re unable to attend themselves.

Of course I’ll be the first to complain if I’m selected for collecting my ticket at Old Trafford or Anfield, but whilst intending to ensure that the tickets are distributed to the right people, I suspect that those supporters using the points of mates who no longer attend (or possibly even deceased relatives) will be feeling far more uncomfortable than me.

Whether it's really necessary is another matter.
 
Just read the OS statement briefly.

The club have played a blinder on this one.

No away points.

But points for all home games, including cup games.

So, now I’m forced to rejoin the FA Cup and League Cup schemes that I decided to drop out of, to make up missing out on the now stopped away points.

Prestwich Blue.

Not going to call you. You can’t win.

And I know you don’t post on here anymore.

So I would like you to forward a reply from the club on to Ric or to a Mod, please.

Can you find out from the club if the Collect in Destination checks also apply to Tunnel Club members and other corp members, or is it only season ticket holders?

I stand corrected on this, but don’t Tunnel Club Members get 1 away ticket each? If so, where are they ending up, because I’m 99% sure most of those away tickets don’t get used by the Tunnel Club members. They are either sold or passed on. Do the checks include sponsors as well, who get free away tickets?

Can you also ask the club to explain why resale ticket sites manage to get hold of away tickets and sell them on at inflated prices. The club are fully aware of this, and always have been. Can you ask the club what they are actively doing to stop this, because it is still going on.

If the club are doing random checks on season ticket holders, they should be doing random checks on Tunnel Club members, corporates, and sponsors, or are they not being randomly checked?

I look forward to your reply.

Many thanks.
And I'd like to see that in writing too, not just a yes, and that's it.

As I don't trust any of the fuckers.
 
This has clearly been thought through by people with the mathematical intellect of a brick. It doesn't help anyone other than those already at the top of the points scheme whom it actually helps more not less as they can now (if they choose) only go to the more popular games leaving those that struggle to sell out without affecting their position. I guess that is the problem with getting an average Joe Bloggs to think these things through
Most people agree the issue is that demand is far greater for certain games (Liverpool/Utd/Bournemouth etc etc) and far less for games like Newcastle away midweek (apart from me - as thats my closest game...). And therefore the solution is to create more fairness
However : -
People who think they are getting 'further behind' in the existing system by not being able to buy certain away tickets simply don't understand basic maths.
If you can not buy a ticket for a game because of your points tally - then nor can anybody else on your points tally. You may be numerically further behind in terms of points at the end of the season (perhaps 10000 off top rather than 9000) but you are no further away in terms of numbers of people between you and the top and thats what matters
If we assume that this is 'points whores' - they are still going to buy tickets for Utd/Liverpool etc because they are more than likely going to go or, if they are inclined that way - flog on for a profit. And now they can never be caught because their points advantage is completely impenetrable
Perhaps this is step one and step two is to re-evaluate everybody in a year or two based upon how many aways they bought in the last couple of years. That would be slightly fairer although I doubt thought through
 
Yeah I agree with that.

Not sure why they don’t just do a ballot.

I’m glad younger people will have a better chance though, our away crowds have got quieter recently and it’s the same old faces stood with arms folded.
Totally agree mate as much as they annoyed quite a few people the blue alliance used to take a bus or two every game and when they died out it got noticeably quieter in the away ends.

I never went to games with them and i'm not under 25 either before anyone gets upset.
 
As anyone who has read my previous posts on this topic, you can imagine my general disappointment that what we had feared regarding what was suggested over the past few months by City Matters has been brought in.

There is so much scaremongering regarding the dreaded "points whore" that I really think those that think it's as rampant as reported are the ones who are quite far out of touch with the regular away support at City.

The point has been hammered by me and others previously on this thread and the previous thread we've had on the topic - the only time points become an issue is when people believe they should get tickets for Old Trafford or Anfield or a more desirable cup game.

Points is not an issue when we've got *insert the many games that went to general sale last season*.

In the most successful season City have had in our 125 year history, we struggled to sell out plenty of away games. We have what 45,000 season ticket holders? And we're generally populated in a certain region. I get it that Newcastle away midweek might be difficult for you - hey I couldn't get that one off work either - but the image of 1,000's clamouring to be in City away ends but being kept out due to some fat cats who buy tickets purely to sell them on Facebook has been exaggerated in your head.

Sure, I guarantee that there will be someone out there on 26k points who has done the hard graft a few years ago but now is buying tickets so his mate from the local can go. And I'm sure there has been someone who looks at Burnley away thinking "I can get a ticket for that, but I'm away that weekend... oh well I'll get one and sell it so I get the points", but these people are few and far between. And on that second example, and bringing myself into this - I may not get any points for tickets now, but I know I'll get a Bournemouth away ticket - if someone I know wants one I can still buy it and pass it on, yeah there may be a risk of a collection but he can borrow my I.D. if he wants, afterall, it's a picture of me as an 18 year old and I'm 31 now.

An issue for me, and seemingly a lot of others, is that our group, those with the points seem to be the ones that are only guilty of doing any wrong when the vast majority of us are that hardcore that were in half empty away ends before the cash rolled in.

Supporters Clubs for years - and I know because I used to run one - will oversubscribe the interest for a game. Norwich away for example in September. 20 members wants to go. So the Supporters Club will tell the club they've got 28 members who want to go, if they get more than 20 they will be able to shift it somewhere. These 20 members can be anyone. I've had it in the past where "Liam, my cousin for Canada is coming over, could you apply for a ticket on a member who isn't goings ticket?" this person hadn't even watched a game of football before but they got a ticket for a game that sold out in the 13/14 season.

The internal tickets too - of course you're probably gonna get Gabriel Jesus' entourage in the away end at Stamford Bridge, but Bournemouth last season and Wigan in the FA Cup the year before (both games that sold out before general sale - on high points for the case of Bournemouth) I was stood on a row with about 20 empty seats around me, with Aguero's Dad and son stood behind me.

You've seen it plenty of times on here where someone with points will say "well I got to this point because I was doing Watford away midweek" and someone without points will respond "well it's not that easy with work and other commitments" or words to that effect. So now that no points are being given do you think that changes anything? Points shouldn't be a reason to go - I get that - but working your way up the system and staying on top is a driving factor with going, you cannot escape that fact.

I'm in a position of being first day of sale with the majority of away tickets and this system does not change that for me. I could not bother all season and next year I'm still at the top of the tree, so really I should be laughing at those who think this is a good idea because their chances of getting a ticket for Old Trafford have increased by a few %, but it is completely unfair on all those who have known and adhered to a system which the club has had in place for close to 20 years. Those "whores" aren't gonna start going now, but they may still buy a ticket because their mates all know they have points. If you have a season ticket and you're on holiday for a home game, you'll pass it to someone you know who hasn't got a ticket so they can have a day out, wouldn't you? Why would it be any different for away games?

And I've barely even mentioned ticket collections.
An excellent post full of honesty about the whole away ticket situation.
There will be a lot of smug Supporters Club posters denying what you’ve posted. I’ve been a member of a supporter’s club since the early 70s and I know exactly what goes on there, with independent fans and with Corporate.
But, like you said, it’s the loyalty points holders that have been targeted by the club and the reps on City Matters.

Next year they’ll just stop our allocation and give them to the other groups to control and abuse.
 
Like it or not, random collections work. Would you be willing to give your ticket to a mate and knowing you could face consequences if you don’t pick it up?

I'm just not sure it's necessary given that loyalty points are no longer awarded for aways. If someone's passing on a ticket after the abolition of away points, I suspect it's probably because they can no longer go.

Apart from that though, I think the changes are absolutely a step in the right direction and PB should be applauded for that although it is a little unfair imo how supporters clubs allocations aren't affected either, and I think there's other issues that arise but I think the system now is better than what it was.
 

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