Today's shooting in America thread

There's been another. Something has to give.
 
Thank god it’s not just the criminals who’ve got guns, it’s law abiding folk too. Imagine if those poor guys hadn’t been able to defend themselves
 
America decided it was okay with mass shootings a long time ago. This won't change anything.

Wah Mee massacre, San Ysidro, Edmond, GMAC Office, Luby's, Columbine, Virginia Tech, Fort Hood, the Aurora movie theatre, Sandy Hook, Charleston, San Bernardino, Orlando nightclub, Vegas 2017, Sutherland Springs, Stoneman Douglas, Santa Fe 2018, Pittsburgh synagogue, Thousand Oaks, Virginia Beach, El Paso, now Dayton.

If all of those shootings can happen without a change to the constitution, more of them will continue to do so.
 
7evens said:
America decided it was okay with mass shootings a long time ago. This won't change anything.

Wah Mee massacre, San Ysidro, Edmond, GMAC Office, Luby's, Columbine, Virginia Tech, Fort Hood, the Aurora movie theatre, Sandy Hook, Charleston, San Bernardino, Orlando nightclub, Vegas 2017, Sutherland Springs, Stoneman Douglas, Santa Fe 2018, Pittsburgh synagogue, Thousand Oaks, Virginia Beach, El Paso, now Dayton.

If all of those shootings can happen without a change to the constitution, more of them will continue to do so.
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Sadly true. What would the death toll need to be at a single shooting before they think seriously about it? 1000 dead? Would that make them think about changing the constitution?
 
More guns, more guns, more guns. Are people fvcking stupid or what? The only way to stop shootings is to get more guns. It's not rocket science; guns reduce shootings.
 
malg said:
Don't know if America is just too big for a referendum, but surely if they asked the American public they'd overwhelmingly vote for some form of gun control.

Mind you, it's just another mass shooting. If they didn't do anything after a school shooting I can't see them doing anything here.
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Do you really think a referendum would make a difference? They will spend ages debating the question, and no doubt lobbyists will play a huge role in ensuring the referendum question is vague enough not to have any impact on gun sales.

F*ck all will change.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Do you really think a referendum would make a difference? They will spend ages debating the question, and no doubt lobbyists will play a huge role in ensuring the referendum question is vague enough not to have any impact on gun sales.

F*ck all will change.
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No idea fella, but they have to do something or it will happen again. I asked the question of one of our American posters when Obama was President. Why couldn't he just do it himself, after all he was the President. However, it's not that easy. The gun lobby are extraordinarily powerful over there. There'll be lots of hand wringing followed by fuck all action.
 
God knows how many would have died in Ohio if the police hadn't been around to take out the killer in just a minute
 
malg said:
No idea fella, but they have to do something or it will happen again. I asked the question of one of our American posters when Obama was President. Why couldn't he just do it himself, after all he was the President. However, it's not that easy. The gun lobby are extraordinarily powerful over there. There'll be lots of hand wringing followed by fuck all action.
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The House passed a bill (H.R.8) to bring in background checks, but the Senate majority leader technically blocked it. Given that Mitch McConnell has received over $1M in funding from the NRA, it's hardly a surprise.
 
buckshot said:
Watching Santorum argue that making guns illegal won't stop criminals from getting guns on CNN.

How is that any different than saying "We shouldn't make murder illegal because it won't stop murderers from killing people?"
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It's the dumbest fucking argument in history. "Why make laws? Criminals will just break them anyway." That is the literal argument.

Of course Santorum has the IQ of a hazelnut.
 
7evens said:
America decided it was okay with mass shootings a long time ago. This won't change anything.

Wah Mee massacre, San Ysidro, Edmond, GMAC Office, Luby's, Columbine, Virginia Tech, Fort Hood, the Aurora movie theatre, Sandy Hook, Charleston, San Bernardino, Orlando nightclub, Vegas 2017, Sutherland Springs, Stoneman Douglas, Santa Fe 2018, Pittsburgh synagogue, Thousand Oaks, Virginia Beach, El Paso, now Dayton.

If all of those shootings can happen without a change to the constitution, more of them will continue to do so.
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The saddest thing of all is that I'm a well-educated American who pays close attention to the news, and I can't remember about a quarter of those.
 
7evens said:
America decided it was okay with mass shootings a long time ago. This won't change anything.

Wah Mee massacre, San Ysidro, Edmond, GMAC Office, Luby's, Columbine, Virginia Tech, Fort Hood, the Aurora movie theatre, Sandy Hook, Charleston, San Bernardino, Orlando nightclub, Vegas 2017, Sutherland Springs, Stoneman Douglas, Santa Fe 2018, Pittsburgh synagogue, Thousand Oaks, Virginia Beach, El Paso, now Dayton.

If all of those shootings can happen without a change to the constitution, more of them will continue to do so.
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Absolutely fucking shocking. 22.
 
The only way to fix this is Americans willingly giving up their guns but that isn't going to happen because how could people protect themselves? As soon as the government try to take guns from people you'll just reinforce their need to have them as the right to bear arms is as much to do with protection from government as it is from criminals. Plus why criminalise the people that use them safely?

There is no single simple solution to this sadly. However creating a more positive political climate that is not based on fear and what is being 'stolen' from people and encourages inclusivity and compassion may prevent some of these manifesto led terrorist acts. You can't take guns out of the system but creating a more just and tolerant society for all might reduce the desire for people to take matters into their own hands.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
For those unaware of how f*cked up the USA is:

Since posting this video online (what the f*ck was he thinking?), he has been expelled from school and arrested.
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Another demonstration of the most inherent evil — the utter disregard if not contempt for or delight in the negative consequences on others of one’s actions.

Trump demonstrates this every single day. Is it any wonder others do?
 
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