Today's shooting in America thread

Trevor Morley's Tache said:
I can't remember what the .50 was but I seem to recall she said she'd paid about $4500, not including the scope, for which she paid $1000. She also had a number of other 'classic' handguns and hunting rifles (.22 rimfire and full bore). Basically someone not to mess with.
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fuck me - I am driving round in an £800 car....................talk about perspective...bet she drives a Prius and would accuse me of mass murder in my old Scenic with its pollution lol
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
I can't remember what the .50 was but I seem to recall she said she'd paid about $4500, not including the scope, for which she paid $1000. She also had a number of other 'classic' handguns and hunting rifles (.22 rimfire and full bore). Basically someone not to mess with.
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Sounds more like an enthusiast, with some appreciation for history of firearms, than a simple CCW female carrying for protection. However, like someone with a fleet of cars, her driving might leave something to be desired! ;-)
 
ChicagoBlue said:
No, because the PPL requires a much wider range of skills and education of laws and aerodynamics than shooting a gun and the laws surrounding that.


Firstly, not the same thing at all.
Secondly, NO, and I believe the Constitution doesn’t either! What is this “gun paperwork” of which you speak? The receipt?! Haha! That said, I do believe it is reasonable to ask to see a person’s CCW Permit if they are carrying in public.


I believe in penalties for unsafe gun use, storage and non-reporting of loss. I don’t know what “massive” means to you.


No. Why? Do you think that would stop crime? There are over 300 MILLION guns in the US and you can 3D print one!
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Gunowners puzzle me.

"Trust me", they say. "Trust I am law-abiding gunowner. Trust it is for my protection. Trust I will never harm you. Trust that I store it securely and properly so your 4-year-old won't find it. Trust that I know how to properly fire it."

"Ok." I say. "Hey, just out of curiosity, why do you own a gun?"

"Because", they say. "I'll be fucked before I EVER trust YOU."
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Gunowners puzzle me.

"Trust me", they say. "Trust I am law-abiding gunowner. Trust it is for my protection. Trust I will never harm you. Trust that I store it securely and properly so your 4-year-old won't find it. Trust that I know how to properly fire it."

"Ok." I say. "Hey, just out of curiosity, why do you own a gun?"

"Because", they say. "I'll be fucked before I EVER trust YOU."
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Yeah, that’s EXACTLY the conversation people have! Sounds like the SanFran in you is strong!!!
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Yeah, that’s EXACTLY the conversation people have! Sounds like the SanFran in you is strong!!!
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It's theoretical and metaphorical. And elliptical. It's also accurate logically, the exact circular reference that exists for non-gunowners.

Gunowners don't trust others, but non-gunowners are supposed to trust gunowners.

At least you didn't come up with, "Well, buy yourself a gun then!"
 
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bluethrunthru said:
spending all that money on all those arms no wonder she drives a banger - just think sell or don't buy guns and ammo and own a new car.............lol
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You're joking but it's true. When President Obama was in office the NRA had their best years by scaring morons into thinking that their guns were going to be confiscated or not sold anymore. There was literally a shortage on AR-15 ammunition as people stocked up on it for when the ban hit. The problem (of course) was that there was never going to be a ban and it was just a ploy by the NRA/gun companies to separate morons from their money.

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Hannity is a f*cking loon. (4:39 onwards - arm everyone rant)

Yeah, great idea clown. The first the thing someone with murderous intent will do is take out any potential threats first, and probably take their weapon from them as they lay there bleeding to death. The teacher in the classroom armed with a gun might as well have a target on their chest.

 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
It's theoretical and metaphorical. And elliptical. It's also accurate logically, the exact circular reference that exists for non-gunowners.

Gunowners don't trust others, but non-gunowners are supposed to trust gunowners.

At least you didn't come up with, "Well, buy yourself a gun then!"
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FWIW, I don’t trust ANYONE until they show me I can trust them. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but that doubt is what Gavin De Becker calls The Gift of Fear.

There are places in this world where I feel vulnerable. I don’t walk around gun in hand to provide a cone of certainty, but I do stay alert. I watch some people’s hands more than their faces, especially males that may appear to be physically threatening (I’m 6’2” and not a physically small man), and I take steps to ensure I stay the least vulnerable I can. I take a defensive posture in threatening situations (arguments on the train, shouting in the bar), because appearing non-threatening and, in case of trouble, running is the best self defence there is. Now, when I’m with my wife or kids, that protective cloak grows, and often me running isn’t going to help them stay safe, so other strategies are required, such as shelter in place while continuing a threat assessment.

Not until a physical threat of personal harm comes to my door, or that of my family, does a weapon even become part of the calculus. However, when it does, and it presents a real, credible, and defensible threat, it will be neutralized. That is what a gun is for.

I don’t want to fight in an era of people stomping on heads and multiple assailants on one victim, let alone the proliferation of knives and guns. If I lose a fight, I also lose the ability to protect my family. Heck, if I’m in a fight, I have already removed the cloak of protection from them, and they instantly become vulnerable, too.

In Illinois, there is NO RIGHT to shoot to protect property, only life. So, if someone breaks into my house, I go into “protect the family” mode. If a burglar is in the house, I have two choices: remain in place, in a defensive posture, or advance and confront...which is allowed. From there, if someone says “I’m not here to harm you, I just want your stuff” I don’t have the right to shoot him. If his adrenaline spikes from the startle and he approaches me forcefully, and threateningly, then he dies. As long as that happens when he is coming towards me and not fleeing or moving away from me, then I’m legally fine. If he’s running out of the door after hitting me in the head with a lamp, and I shoot him, then I may well be liable for manslaughter.

So, while not quite as complicated as flying an aircraft and knowing aviation law, I take the legal responsibilities of gun ownership very, very seriously and know the laws. Others? Maybe not so much, but then I’m not responsible for them.
 
buckshot said:
You're joking but it's true. When President Obama was in office the NRA had their best years by scaring morons into thinking that their guns were going to be confiscated or not sold anymore. There was literally a shortage on AR-15 ammunition as people stocked up on it for when the ban hit. The problem (of course) was that there was never going to be a ban and it was just a ploy by the NRA/gun companies to separate morons from their money.
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At one point, they said each individual piece of ammo was going to have a laser cut serial number that was traceable, so you couldn’t find ammo for love nor money, because everyone wanted the untraceable stuff!!!

A fool and his money are soon parted!
 
ChicagoBlue said:
At one point, they said each individual piece of ammo was going to have a laser cut serial number that was traceable, so you couldn’t find ammo for love nor money, because everyone wanted the untraceable stuff!!!

A fool and his money are soon parted!
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Lend me fiver geezer
 
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