Var debate 2019/20

blueinsa said:
VAR can work if.......

Communication is 100% transparent to the crowd especially and to those watching on tv.

What tech is being used for offsides and what is it’s accuracy?

Why the secrecy?

Why can’t communications between the officials be broadcast in real time?
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Probably too much like real transparency ?
 
blueinsa said:
VAR can work if.......

Communication is 100% transparent to the crowd especially and to those watching on tv.

What tech is being used for offsides and what is it’s accuracy?

Why the secrecy?

Why can’t communications between the officials be broadcast in real time?
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There is no secrecy, all the premier league players went to the seminar/launch day where they detailed how it works and the accuracy etc.
 
Brendan110_0 said:
There is no secrecy, all the premier league players went to the seminar/launch day where they detailed how it works and the accuracy etc.
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That’s good to know but it would still be reasonable for the 50k in the stadium and those watching at home to be involved and updated. We are after all involved in paying the wages
 
Brendan110_0 said:
There is no secrecy, all the premier league players went to the seminar/launch day where they detailed how it works and the accuracy etc.
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This was talked about yesterday, great, but what about showing us the paying public how it all works ? There doesn't seem to have been any attempt to do that, not by PGMOL, or by broadcasters. If the players and managers are"very happy" quoting Walton yesterday, then there is some secrecy, and it will lead to scepticism.

blueinsa said:
VAR can work if.......

Communication is 100% transparent to the crowd especially and to those watching on tv.

What tech is being used for offsides and what is it’s accuracy?

Why the secrecy?

Why can’t communications between the officials be broadcast in real time?
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I'm in favour of it with all those points, the good thing is that we aren't seeing the farce that became the women's world cup (so far anyway), but with most of the games played this weekend now, I find it a little suspect that ours is the one where it seems to have been used most, and in some ways controversially. There's been a couple of checks in this newcastle v arsenal game, none of which had any impact on the game or the time, and the crowd probably aren't even aware.
 
This has been so over complicated it’s pathetic.

VAR rules should be black & white and the freeze frame they use for all offsides should be transparent and predetermined by the FA (e.g. the first freeze frame when the ball has clearly left the passers foot will be the one we use to determine whether a player is offside or not). Be honest and transparent with football fans and tell them there is a small margin of error because of the 25/30 frames per second and everyone will be happy as long as it’s consistent and not just made up as we go along like yesterday.

The problem is inconsistency, nothing else. Inconsistency can lead to question marks over the validity of VAR decisions and also brings into question the integrity of the match day officials (on-field or in a van), a predetermined error of margin is acceptable.
 
Ennis said:
Call me bitter and twisted but I would not feel comfortable in putting any money on that being given offside now.
Did anyone see the debate with one of the refs this week? They showed the Liverpool goal at Southampton When Salah I think it was was clearly offside before they scored and he said a goal would be given as it wasn’t in the last phase of play before the goal.
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You’re bitter and twisted and may I add, possibly paranoid.
 
ctid1894 said:
Absolute bollocks, the sheer amount of offside goals allowed to stand for Liverpool and United last season is proof that option is fucking shite and open to questioning of officials integrity.
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so it works for all the other 17 clubs but United and Livepool's goals get through the net, 'pardon the pun' i'd say they the FA need investigating rather than introducing VAR
 
Mike N said:
Apologies if this has already been mentioned, but does anyone understand why the goal was given offside yesterday in the Burnley game when it was still scoreless?
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Because the Burnley forward was in an off side position earlier in the move when the ball was played forward. He became offside when he touched the ball after the defender slipped and the lineman immediately flagged. Correct decision and correct timing in pre VAR days. But I don't understand why the lineman flagged immediately. I thought they were now supposed to delay flagging so play could develop and then VAR would correct an error if a goal was scored.

The lineman flagging immediately happened several times against City yesterday. I don't know why?
 
lmjones1uk said:
I think we will get a lot more penalties now that VARS in place. Countless times in years gone by we've had blatant penalties turned down.
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agree but like someone mentioned earlier we play the finest of margins in the penalty area and now that we know the width of the shirt is offside, we'll be punished more than others that play hoof ball style like Burnley and the Rags.
 
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Tommy_Catons_Perm said:
Because the Burnley forward was in an off side position earlier in the move when the ball was played forward. He became offside when he touched the ball after the defender slipped and the lineman immediately flagged. Correct decision and correct timing in pre VAR days. But I don't understand why the lineman flagged immediately. I thought they were now supposed to delay flagging so play could develop and then VAR would correct an error if a goal was scored.

The lineman flagging immediately happened several times against City yesterday. I don't know why?
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Unlike in Europe they will still flag immediately in the PL. The ref will then decide to play on if he thinks it's a goal scoring chance
 
citizen_maine said:
Unlike in Europe they will still flag immediately in the PL. The ref will then decide to play on if he thinks it's a goal scoring chance
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Thanks. It adds to the confusion that the procedure or interpretation of the rules are different in the champs league. I think the handball penalty decisions are much more severe in the champs league than in the prem. I'm unclear about attackers scoring with the use of a hand now. In the prem a goal was ruled out today because a hand was used. In the champs league last season vertongen scored for spurs with his hand..
 
I was of the understanding that VAR was for clear and obvious mistakes and for me the offside decision for Sterling was ridiculous. The way this is going ruins the spontaneity of the game.

Also, they measured from Sterling’s shoulder yesterday but the Liverpool one from last season was measured from the players feet. It doesn’t seem to be a very consistent approach.

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richardtheref said:
You can only be off side if a part of your body is off side that you can score a goal with. So the PL have said that Raheems shoulder was off side. I suggest the PL read the hand ball law in that case as this states hand ball is the whole of the arm including the shoulder. Thus you cannot score with your shoulder.
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Wrong according to below... above arm pit is not hand ball. See balo v Norwich for shoulder goal.

Answer provided by Referee Dennis Wickham
The 'hand' includes fingertips, upper arm, and the outer part of the shoulder. It does not include the top of the shoulder.
 
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