Punk and New Wave thread.

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

You’re forgetting a lot of the early punk came out of The NE of the US, New York, Detroit . The Ramones were the first band I listened to that you could tell were different from the mainstream.

I was just going to add similar thoughts and of course pre Ramones you had The New York Dolls leading the charge.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

I don’t give a monkeys arse, Joe Stummer is one of the greatest musicians ever to walk this planet.

But could you imagine him performing a rag anthem on TOTP's like Status Quo did?

 

[idahoblues]

I was just going to add similar thoughts and of course pre Ramones you had The New York Dolls leading the charge.

I never heard The NY Dolls back then, the BBC being what it was n all

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

I was just going to add similar thoughts and of course pre Ramones you had The New York Dolls leading the charge.

And Iggy Pop and the Stooges, Pattie Smith, Talking heads and Television were all bubbling away under the surface. Pistols grabbed most of the attention in the UK but they were short lived and a manufactured gimmick. The Damned were a much better band IMO and had the first UK punk single New Rose released over a month before Anarchy in the UK. The Damned are still touring nowadays and are in the far East on tour right now.

 

[the plasterer]

And Iggy Pop and the Stooges, Pattie Smith, Talking heads and Television were all bubbling away under the surface. Pistols grabbed most of the attention in the UK but they were short lived and a manufactured gimmick. The Damned were a much better band IMO and had the first UK punk single New Rose released over a month before Anarchy in the UK. The Damned are still touring nowadays and are in the far East on tour right now.

Have to disagree on that, I’ve said it before, the pistols were a brilliant band, well the band consisting of lydon, Jones, Matlock and cook, they became manufactured when Maclaren got rid of Matlock and in came Vicious, even Lydon fucked off as he knew what a shambles it had become, anyway back to the Damned, another brilliant band, would love to see them again if came back giggin in the uk

 

[the plasterer]

On Sky Arts, there are some great documentaries on there at the moment, story of the Jam, the Clash, 4 part series about the rise of Punk music, some great unseen footage of the Buzzcocks, uk subs and slaughter and the dogs

 

[s1ty m]

On Sky Arts, there are some great documentaries on there at the moment, story of the Jam, the Clash, 4 part series about the rise of Punk music, some great unseen footage of the Buzzcocks, uk subs and slaughter and the dogs

Thanks, I'll check those out.

 

[aka blue jambo]

Sandinista,
This might be a silly question but which album do you prefer London Calling or Sandinista ?
I hated Sandinista when it came out and after the initial listen I didn’t listen to it again for years .. moving on , I now think it’s brilliant, on a par with LC or if not better . Love the Dub tracks

A triple album was hard work at the time
Probably a great double album and a superb single disc

 

[aka blue jambo]

Just about to watch Anarchy in Manchester from Sky Arts

 

[sandinista]

Sandinista,
This might be a silly question but which album do you prefer London Calling or Sandinista ?
I hated Sandinista when it came out and after the initial listen I didn’t listen to it again for years .. moving on , I now think it’s brilliant, on a par with LC or if not better . Love the Dub tracks

Hated sandinista when it was first released , though over the years it wore on me too ... London calling is THE Clash album for me , and unlike some Clash fans , I love give em enough rope too

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

Have to disagree on that, I’ve said it before, the pistols were a brilliant band, well the band consisting of lydon, Jones, Matlock and cook, they became manufactured when Maclaren got rid of Matlock and in came Vicious, even Lydon fucked off as he knew what a shambles it had become, anyway back to the Damned, another brilliant band, would love to see them again if came back giggin in the uk

Don't get me wrong, I agree mate. Pre Sid Vicious the Pistols were indeed a brilliant band and NMTB album is a classic I've played many times. Without Malcolm McLaren contriving them on Granada TV to shock the nation with vulgar expletives to Bill Grundy's encouragement, and without the tabloids, particularly The Sun telling the nation punks spat at granny's (lol), Punk would have most probably never surfaced the way it did.

My dad hated punk. He hated the "bloody noise" and he hated seeing me as a rebellious teenager playing my records in my bedroom full volume in my punk gear. He threatened me with a few good hidings lol.

As for the Damned, they're still going strong with Dave Vanian on vocals and still touring the UK. I really must go and see them as I think the last time I did was back in 2000 at the Witchwood in Ashton.

 

[hammocity]

Hated sandinista when it was first released , though over the years it wore on me too ... London calling is THE Clash album for me , and unlike some Clash fans , I love give em enough rope too

London Calling was voted album of the decade by Rolling Stone magazine, every track is utterly brilliant. My favourite band ever, still listen mainly to the punk/new wave/indie music.

The soundtrack to “The future is unwritten” is very quirky but I love Rachid Taha’s version of Rock the Casbah, he was French Algerian and almost certainly influenced that song. The fact the Clash could diversify from punk to other genres made them utterly unique, in a short time they kept reinventing themselves, a bit like another musical genius David Bowie.

 

[hammocity]

Don't get me wrong, I agree mate. Pre Sid Vicious the Pistols were indeed a brilliant band and NMTB album is a classic I've played many times. Without Malcolm McLaren contriving them on Granada TV to shock the nation with vulgar expletives to Bill Grundy's encouragement, and without the tabloids, particularly The Sun telling the nation punks spat at granny's (lol), Punk would have most probably never surfaced the way it did.

My dad hated punk. He hated the "bloody noise" and he hated seeing me as a rebellious teenager playing my records in my bedroom full volume in my punk gear. He threatened me with a few good hidings lol.

As for the Damned, they're still going strong with Dave Vanian on vocals and still touring the UK. I really must go and see them as I think the last time I did was back in 2000 at the Witchwood in Ashton.

Punk came at the right time, NME described rock music as BOF (boring old farts) with 20 minute guitar and drum solos. Punk stamped all over that, no more than 3 minutes songs, played fast, energetic and to the point. Some of it was shite but there were some fantastic musicians that came from Punk. Was in my late teens when Punk arrived in 77 and it was gone by around 81, didn’t appreciate at the time what a special time in my life it was, just lucky to have experienced it. Still love music but nothing will ever replace those years.

 

[aka blue jambo]

I loved the Pistols Spunk bootleg

 

[aka blue jambo]

London Calling was voted album of the decade by Rolling Stone magazine, every track is utterly brilliant. My favourite band ever, still listen mainly to the punk/new wave/indie music.

The soundtrack to “The future is unwritten” is very quirky but I love Rachid Taha’s version of Rick the Casbah, he was French Algerian and almost certainly influenced that song. The fact the Clash could diversify from punk to other genres made them utterly unique, in a short time they kept reinventing themselves, a bit like another musical genius David Bowie.

That is why I love the Clash they opened my eyes to so many genres of music like reggae and blues at a time where tastes were pretty blinkered

 

[sky tot]

One of my favourite Strummer songs was the theme tune to the film Sid & Nancy- Love kills ,brilliant.
Also like some of Joe Strummer & Mescalleros

 

[aka blue jambo]

One of my favourite Strummer songs was the theme tune to the film Sid & Nancy- Love kills ,brilliant.
Also like some of Joe Strummer & Mescalleros

Saw him fronting the Pogues when Shane went AWOL didn't think it would work but it was brilliant

 

[Sir peace frog]

I was in town many years ago,we were off to watch a gig(think anti pasti) at the mayflower, bit of a kick off and we were on our toes running through town with a load of perries after us, we were joined in our terror run with toothpaste out of varicose veins :) happy days

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Don't get me wrong, I agree mate. Pre Sid Vicious the Pistols were indeed a brilliant band and NMTB album is a classic I've played many times. Without Malcolm McLaren contriving them on Granada TV to shock the nation with vulgar expletives to Bill Grundy's encouragement, and without the tabloids, particularly The Sun telling the nation punks spat at granny's (lol), Punk would have most probably never surfaced the way it did.

My dad hated punk. He hated the "bloody noise" and he hated seeing me as a rebellious teenager playing my records in my bedroom full volume in my punk gear. He threatened me with a few good hidings lol.

As for the Damned, they're still going strong with Dave Vanian on vocals and still touring the UK. I really must go and see them as I think the last time I did was back in 2000 at the Witchwood in Ashton.

Agree about the pre Sid Pistols.
I just read Steve Jones book Lonely Boy and clearly they were not manufactured and as he states, McClaren used the bands money to fund the Great Rock n Roll Swindle film that he used as a tool to create the image of himself as the creator of the band with his genius of a plan to orchestrate the whole thing.
On a slight pedantic note though, The Bill Grundy thing wasn't on Granada but Thames TV.

 

[sky tot]

Saw him fronting the Pogues when Shane went AWOL didn't think it would work but it was brilliant

Yea me too