Another new Brexit thread

[Metal Biker]

No, but then she's probably one of the moderate ones.

Boeing and WTO. An example from earlier, you asked for (since you provided me with one upon request)

Couldn't find an appropriate link because googling WTO, EU always brings up something brexit related.

 

[johnnytapia]

Correct.
It will fall to sustainable levels from the EU. But that will be more than replaced by immigration from countries we try to do trade deals with around the world.

We'll see. It couldn't continue as it had done whilst we remained in the EU.

 

[aguero93:20]

And it's been explained to you how easy it is for anyone with the golden ticket, the EU passport, to flout any and all controls. Once we leave, that golden ticket will be worthless. And immigration can and hopefully will fall to sustainable levels.

Your government weren't enforcing the controls available to them. It's far tougher to move to Ireland from the EU than it is to the UK for starters. Yet you lot actually have more power than us to control EU immigration. The difference is that we use the powers we're given.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

One person does not equate an entire Government.

Otherwise we can dismiss the Labour opposition for the likes of Naz Shah and her comments on the Jewish Community (which she was suspended for...then allowed back)

What policies of this current Conservative Government are far-right?

I'd say a No Deal brexit is a precursor to Far Right policy. Give it 6 months and we will have 'no choice' but to slash the welfare state, privatise everything possible and drastically reduce corporation tax to stimulate growth. This will be great for rich white males while non evidenced based popular policies such as stop and search policing and more prisons / prisoners will disproportionately impact BAME communities.

 

[Metal Biker]

.........because the deal negotiated with the EU was not acceptable to the whole of Parliament.

Or the British public, judging by the polls that were conducted at the time.

 

[aguero93:20]

Boeing and WTO. An example from earlier, you asked for (since you provided me with one upon request)

Couldn't find an appropriate link because googling WTO, EU always brings up something brexit related.

http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/press/index.cfm?id=1999

This one?

Edit: most important part of the ruling to save time

Today's ruling by the WTO's Appellate Body confirms the European Union's position that the United States has failed to remove the massive and trade distorting subsidies it is granting to Boeing. The WTO sided with the EU in its argument that several US measures, notably the Washington State tax programme and business incentives from South Carolina are in fact subsidies. The Appellate Body dismissed all of the US appeal points.

 

[BobKowalski]

They have had the last 3 fucking years to do it and nope.....fuck all has been done.

Ask yourself why?

Because they are trying to respect the referendum and trying not to fuck the country in the process or break up the U.K. or ignite the troubles in NI or poison all ties with our nearest neighbours.

Alas these aims are mutually exclusive but hey they are at least trying.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

And it's been explained to you how easy it is for anyone with the golden ticket, the EU passport, to flout any and all controls. Once we leave, that golden ticket will be worthless. And immigration can and hopefully will fall to sustainable levels.

As has been said - the powers where there and not used. Why do you need more powers if you don't even try to use the ones you have...

 

[Metal Biker]

I'd say a No Deal brexit is a precursor to Far Right policy. Give it 6 months and we will have 'no choice' but to slash the welfare state, privatise everything possible and drastically reduce corporation tax to stimulate growth. This will be great for rich white males while non evidenced based popular policies such as stop and search policing and more prisons / prisoners will disproportionately impact BAME communities.

That's... some good propaganda. I trust you have reports, studies and evidence that concludes British society will descend in this manner?

 

[BobKowalski]

And it's been explained to you how easy it is for anyone with the golden ticket, the EU passport, to flout any and all controls. Once we leave, that golden ticket will be worthless. And immigration can and hopefully will fall to sustainable levels.

Still isn’t true. But props for trying.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Your government weren't enforcing the controls available to them. It's far tougher to move to Ireland from the EU than it is to the UK for starters. Yet you lot actually have more power than us to control EU immigration. The difference is that we use the powers we're given.

You are quite correct but brexshiteers aren’t interested in truth, just their own delusions.

 

[Metal Biker]

http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/press/index.cfm?id=1999

This one?

Edit: most important part of the ruling to save time

Today's ruling by the WTO's Appellate Body confirms the European Union's position that the United States has failed to remove the massive and trade distorting subsidies it is granting to Boeing. The WTO sided with the EU in its argument that several US measures, notably the Washington State tax programme and business incentives from South Carolina are in fact subsidies. The Appellate Body dismissed all of the US appeal points.

Possibly.

 

[blueinsa]

They've been focused on a deal and had a prime minister who tbf to her did her best to get one? They've not had a chance to give Johnson a legally binding instruction yet.

As much as leaving the EU might stick in the throats of many MP's full stop, even with a deal for some, the realisation of the damage turning around to the electorate and saying "look i know we promised something but im sorry, we are not doing it" far out ways it and that is why the law hasn't been changed despite the mood music.

Political suicide to do anything other in the same way it would be political suicide for any Irish Taoiseach to agree to an EU demand for a hard/Customs border.

 

[BobKowalski]

That's... some good propaganda. I trust you have reports, studies and evidence that concludes British society will descend in this manner?

Only the last three years and listening to ERG Tories and the Brexit Party.

 

[Saddleworth2]

My response wasn't serious either. You've read it as such.

That's the issue with text based debate; you cannot hear the tone of voice. Maybe a smiley would have helped.

:-)

 

[Metal Biker]

Only the last three years and listening to ERG Tories and the Brexit Party.

Who aren't the majority of the British public.

 

[Metal Biker]

:-)

There we go! :)

Might I interest you in a humourous gif?

 

[Ban-jani]

And it's been explained to you how easy it is for anyone with the golden ticket, the EU passport, to flout any and all controls. Once we leave, that golden ticket will be worthless. And immigration can and hopefully will fall to sustainable levels.

No they can’t. We have the ability to make EU nationals prove they can support themselves and have work available when they settle, or it’s not worth them leaving their other 1st world country to come here because we can send them back. Other EU citizens literally contribute more per head than the British population anyway so we do not enforce these controls.

That’s not even factoring in that the majority of immigrants come from outside the EU, where our government could turn them away at the border, again they do not do this.

Your problem with large scale immigration is first and foremost Westminster’s fault.

Immigration from the EU will most certainly come down following Brexit, however it will go up drastically from elsewhere. When we go, in desperation, to the likes of China and India, begging for a free trade agreement because we don’t have any, the deal will have to include many many visas.

I really don’t think you understand what’s about to happen, should we leave with no deal in October.

 

[Metal Biker]

You are quite correct but brexshiteers aren’t interested in truth, just their own delusions.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

I'd say a No Deal brexit is a precursor to Far Right policy. Give it 6 months and we will have 'no choice' but to slash the welfare state, privatise everything possible and drastically reduce corporation tax to stimulate growth. This will be great for rich white males while non evidenced based popular policies such as stop and search policing and more prisons / prisoners will disproportionately impact BAME communities.

I would not worry we are still a democracy if it does not work the great British public can vote in labour , they can then renationalise everything possible, increase welfare , bring in a 90% tax rate release all the prisoners and close the prisons .

You might want to bring in a new tax ,an additional 25% tax on anyone who is a white male.