Saddleworth2
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Saddleworth2
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I think you comprehensively nailed that Bob. Nice.The current U.K. Govt was voted in by around 140,000 to pursue a ‘no deal’ policy for which it has no popular mandate and is at odds with the Parliament elected by the people in 2017 and is contrary to its own internal advice. It also fails to represent the people of Scotland, Wales and NI. If the effects of its own policy of a no deal Brexit are so benign then I would assume they will be rushing out a detailed report demonstrating how this is the case. Perhaps they can call it ‘Operation Yellow Unicorn’. I am sure the EU will welcome such a report given it will allay their own concerns although it may make the U.K. Govts stark warnings on the impact of no deal on the EU somewhat redundant.
A failed State is one where its political system is no longer in control or able to influence events. We lost control of the Brexit process when we triggered A50 with no comprehension of what we were doing or it’s inevitable consequences. We are on our third PM since 2015. The Govt has no effective majority. It cannot legislate for fear of defeat. It seeks to govern by Ministerial diktat ie looking to close our borders on 31st October when we neither have the resources or the manpower to do this. We will insist our fishing waters will be sacrosanct yet we don’t have the vessels to ensure that this diktat be implemented. We insist there will be no negotiations until our demands are met and then a few weeks later hotfoot over to European capitals for ‘talks’. The U.K. Govt is literally a YouTube downfall parody with State propaganda releasing clips of ministers signing worthless pieces of paper proclaiming triumphantly that the Brexit Masterplan is on course and the sunlit uplands are just around the corner.
No deal isn’t Brexit. No deal is the consequence of a failed State that has surrendered to forces that have overwhelmed it.
Saddleworth2
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Where as you for example only post fact.....I'm not intending to insult you or piss you off as you have put a lot of thought into you post which I do respect. The whole thing though is just a list of your opinions through the prism of a remain viewpoint. That's fine, but you seem to be trying to present your views as fact which is not the case. You may be right, you may be wrong - I suspect a little bit of both.
smudgedj
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Leave the EU.He doesn't give a fcuk as he's got nothing to lose.
He's on the outside looking in taking the piss.
You're wasting your time.
EMBRACE the world.
The current U.K. Govt was voted in by around 140,000 to pursue a ‘no deal’ policy for which it has no popular mandate and is at odds with the Parliament elected by the people in 2017 and is contrary to its own internal advice. It also fails to represent the people of Scotland, Wales and NI. If the effects of its own policy of a no deal Brexit are so benign then I would assume they will be rushing out a detailed report demonstrating how this is the case. Perhaps they can call it ‘Operation Yellow Unicorn’. I am sure the EU will welcome such a report given it will allay their own concerns although it may make the U.K. Govts stark warnings on the impact of no deal on the EU somewhat redundant.
A failed State is one where its political system is no longer in control or able to influence events. We lost control of the Brexit process when we triggered A50 with no comprehension of what we were doing or it’s inevitable consequences. We are on our third PM since 2015. The Govt has no effective majority. It cannot legislate for fear of defeat. It seeks to govern by Ministerial diktat ie looking to close our borders on 31st October when we neither have the resources or the manpower to do this. We will insist our fishing waters will be sacrosanct yet we don’t have the vessels to ensure that this diktat be implemented. We insist there will be no negotiations until our demands are met and then a few weeks later hotfoot over to European capitals for ‘talks’. The U.K. Govt is literally a YouTube downfall parody with State propaganda releasing clips of ministers signing worthless pieces of paper proclaiming triumphantly that the Brexit Masterplan is on course and the sunlit uplands are just around the corner.
No deal isn’t Brexit. No deal is the consequence of a failed State that has surrendered to forces that have overwhelmed it.
Excellent post.
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Hardly ever, I'm as clueless as everyone else but have no issue admitting it. The narrow 52/48% split in the referendum pretty much sums up how I see the issue - many benefits in membership, but also disadvantages which I personally feel (IMHO) make me lean similarly narrowly to leave. The problem with the tribal and negative campaigns waged by both sides is that the UK public have been herded into two equally silly pens where shades of grey and ability to appreciate opposing arguments have been crushed. I blame the British political establishment, EU arrogance and media spin for this and perceive the entire UK population on both sides of the debate as victims. Victims that have been made to feel the only possible futures are the two silly lies of the post brexit apocalypse or the brexit utopia. Common sense would suggest the truth lies in the middle and brexit will present both opportunities and challenges. Half the population though seem determined to see only the challenges while the other half only the opportunities.Where as you for example only post fact.....
Cheer up, Len. You know what they say.
Some things in life are bad,
They can really make you mad.
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle,
Don't grumble, give a whistle!
And this'll help things turn out for the best
And
Always look on the bright side of life!
Always look on the bright side of life
If life seems jolly rotten,
There's something you've forgotten!
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing,
When you're feeling in the dumps,
Don't be silly chumps,
Just purse your lips and whistle -- that's the thing!
And always look on the bright side of life
Come on!
Always look on the bright side of life
For life is quite absurd,
And death's the final word.
You must always face the curtain with a bow!
Forget…
Just like Mr Cheeky.
They said we could revoke. Jolly good. Nah, I'm only pulling your leg. I'm really gonna be crucified. It's the will of the people.
NISUS: Good. Out of the door. Line on the left. One cross each. Next. Crucifixion?
MR. CHEEKY: Ah, no. Freedom.
JAILER: Hmm?
NISUS: What?
MR. CHEEKY: Eh, freedom for me. They said I hadn't done anything, so I could go free and live on an island somewhere.
NISUS: Oh. Oh, well, that's jolly good. Well, off you go, then.
MR. CHEEKY: Naa, I'm only pulling your leg. It's crucifixion, really.
Just in case you hadn't got the message - why do you need to leave the EU to embrace the world? And frankly I do not believe half the posters on here who claim to be "globalists" rather than "European".Leave the EU.
EMBRACE the world.
Did that not include understanding previous restrictions on government policy? That would be normal in that role. After all, you can't give valid advice if you don't understand the constraints your clients are operating under.
I wouldn't dare to. And I only advise corporate entities, not nations.
Well, given that I have never had to 'seek' work since 1999 - rather my support is continuously 'sought' - I guess my credentials are well established with those that matter
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Really well - and respectfully - saidI'm not intending to insult you or piss you off as you have put a lot of thought into you post which I do respect. The whole thing though is just a list of your opinions through the prism of a remain viewpoint. That's fine, but you seem to be trying to present your views as fact which is not the case. You may be right, you may be wrong - I suspect a little bit of both.
And - yet again - the same posters are prominentIt's descended into the exact same tone of thread as the last one was. Makes me wonder what's the point of continuing having them.
Coincidence?
Saddleworth2
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It doesn’t help that our own government are preparing for food shortages. Maybe they are in your silly pen as well. If anyone had done a competent job of articulating the opportunities for leaving I’m afraid I missed it. Certainly never heard a leave politician describe them with any credence. Certainly not read anything on here that is deeper than a puddle from any leave advocate. Anyway, don’t let me interrupt your ‘clueless’ posting.Hardly ever, I'm as clueless as everyone else but have no issue admitting it. The narrow 52/48% split in the referendum pretty much sums up how I see the issue - many benefits in membership, but also disadvantages which I personally feel (IMHO) make me lean similarly narrowly to leave. The problem with the tribal and negative campaigns waged by both sides is that the UK public have been herded into two equally silly pens where shades of grey and ability to appreciate opposing arguments have been crushed. I blame the British political establishment, EU arrogance and media spin for this and perceive the entire UK population on both sides of the debate as victims. Victims that have been made to feel the only possible futures are the two silly lies of the post brexit apocalypse or the brexit utopia. Common sense would suggest the truth lies in the middle and brexit will present both opportunities and challenges. Half the population though seem determined to see only the challenges while the other half only the opportunities.
Saddleworth2
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Probably not. Thank god for infrequent posters such as your good self.And - yet again - the same posters are prominent
Coincidence?
Do you have any sense of irony mate?
Really well - and respectfully - said
A post lacking any detail and not tackling a single point he made is “really well said”.
Kind of sums up the difference in debating from both sides.
Most sensible and balanced post I have seen on any of these threadsHardly ever, I'm as clueless as everyone else but have no issue admitting it. The narrow 52/48% split in the referendum pretty much sums up how I see the issue - many benefits in membership, but also disadvantages which I personally feel (IMHO) make me lean similarly narrowly to leave. The problem with the tribal and negative campaigns waged by both sides is that the UK public have been herded into two equally silly pens where shades of grey and ability to appreciate opposing arguments have been crushed. I blame the British political establishment, EU arrogance and media spin for this and perceive the entire UK population on both sides of the debate as victims. Victims that have been made to feel the only possible futures are the two silly lies of the post brexit apocalypse or the brexit utopia. Common sense would suggest the truth lies in the middle and brexit will present both opportunities and challenges. Half the population though seem determined to see only the challenges while the other half only the opportunities.
Difference is - I was not involved in the squabbles and insults the last time the thread got pulled - nor the time before that, nor the.....Probably not. Thank god for infrequent posters such as your good self.
Do you have any sense of irony mate?
The same posters in the thick of the insults yesterday were
Do you now understand the point I was making mate? Do you think that it is coincience?
In the face of an increasing number of barbs - he did not give in to the temptation to lash out at the provocations but acknowledged people have different viewpoints that drive how they see thingsA post lacking any detail and not tackling a single point he made is “really well said”.
Kind of sums up the difference in debating from both sides.
Again a Leave poster is able to give credit and tolerance to the views of Remain posters - his later post shows by far more balance and honesty than I have ever seen from any Remain poster. I therefore fully agree with your view that it:
"Kind of sums up the difference in debating from both sides."
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There’s one “silly pen” and that’s the no deal pen. It’s also the one that many on the leave side are wanting to push for now. The “Norway” Brexit that the likes of Farage originally pushed for was doable, Common Market 2.0 or a Customs Union arrangement was doable and what the leave campaign described Brexit as in 2016.
Now the above isn’t good enough and they’re about to ruin the country over a sick fetish about the UK struggling on. The new tactic by those adamant on no deal is to now blame remain voters and EU. They have no choice but to do this because the general population: those that voted to remain, those that didn’t vote in 2016 and those that voted for a soft Brexit are going to be blaming them when they lose their jobs or food prices sky rocket or they can’t get access to medicine or their business goes under or their house price dies a death.
The fact is that two sides voted, the one side that gained the most votes has seen their wish turn out to be utter shit and a small proportion of that side have double downed and blamed everyone but themselves and the liars they followed.
It’s become cult-like now.
Now the above isn’t good enough and they’re about to ruin the country over a sick fetish about the UK struggling on. The new tactic by those adamant on no deal is to now blame remain voters and EU. They have no choice but to do this because the general population: those that voted to remain, those that didn’t vote in 2016 and those that voted for a soft Brexit are going to be blaming them when they lose their jobs or food prices sky rocket or they can’t get access to medicine or their business goes under or their house price dies a death.
The fact is that two sides voted, the one side that gained the most votes has seen their wish turn out to be utter shit and a small proportion of that side have double downed and blamed everyone but themselves and the liars they followed.
It’s become cult-like now.
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In the face of an increasing number of barbs from the gathering pack - he did not give in to the temptation to lash out at the provocations but acknowledged people have different viewpoints that drive how they see things
Again a Leave poster able to give credit and tolerance to the views of Remain posters - his later post shows by far more balance and honesty than I have ever seen from any Remain poster. I therefore agree with your view that it:
"Kind of sums up the difference in debating from both sides."
Have you maybe thought the arguments for Remain are comprehensively better and more in number and therefore it’s a lot easier for a leaver to respect that opinion, as remaining is quite clearly a better idea?
That’s the truth in all this. We’re at the stage now where facts matter more than ever.
Also, there was two packs but the majority of yours have disappeared, I wonder why.
lust overlord
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Can we pack in the whole "pack" thing.
It's tedious.
Yes there are,or have been posters,on both sides,either being disrespectful,trolling,or shit stirring.
It's tedious.
Yes there are,or have been posters,on both sides,either being disrespectful,trolling,or shit stirring.
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