Yes. Not a great move in my view either. But they at least had the option to vote on it. This move by the PM removes the vote option and further limits the time to sit during these testing times. Parliament and MPs can vote to be dicks or not. What I object to is removing the right of our elected representatives to vote on whether to be dicks or not.
After all how else do you judge the worth of your MP then how he votes? Well other than supine, angst ridden articles. Might as well has just said ‘My name is Reek’ and saved us the bother of reading it.
What the Speaker conspired to achieve was much worse IMOWhilst me may be within his rights, it's still a cunts trick.
It is not similar to anything other MPs have done as they need votes to get things done or they don't happen, that is clearly not the same here
Hmm - just think through the process for her doing thatRuth Davidson to quit as Scottish leader of Tories.
She’ll parachute into a safe English constituency at the next election and be the Tory leader before the next one.
Oh dear - where to start?exactly - the backstop is a UK invention negotiated into the WA as a result of EU compromise. They sign off on the WA and then we come back telling them we don't want our backstop by calling it their backstop and want the EU to reopen the WA to change things. My guess is the EU proposal wasn't acceptable hence we got them to agree to the backstop so as they know their idea isn't acceptable to us and we want to change OUR minds its not unreasonable to think the UK needs to come up with a change to our own idea and present it to the EU to see if they will agree - otherwise the deal that was thrashed out and signed off stands.
Everything that is happening shows Johnson has no plan, no idea and no alternative proposal and simply wants to lie and obfuscate to 31st October so he can lead the crash out and blame all the subsequent woes that befall UK citizens on the EU.
Is there anything to vote on that they haven't already had 3 years to vote on?
We voted to extend in March and what has been achieved since?
It seems to me that many want these 'lost' votes and sittings to be more about second referendums than say alternatives to no deal.
Spot onI find what Boris has done no better or worse than the things Gina Miller or the Speaker of the house have done in the last couple of years. It's just using the rules as they exist - it's just some only like rules (and referendum results) when it suits their argument.
No, sorry - you are missing the point
The intention is to have CONTROL over our borders
Self-determination not to put a physical/hard border in place is an excellent example of exercising control
Hmmm - where did the EU get the £3.2m from?
If remainers in Parliament had spent more time and energy advocating joining the EFTA rather than trying to stop leaving the EU, we possibly might have avoided all this chaos.Of course, but EFTA in particular was the softest and most workable Brexit solution (given its already effectively in place) so why did they vote against it?
My guess is pretty simple, they didn't want any of the options because they wanted remain and obviously hardline Brexiteers stuck to their guns for a harder deal or no deal at all.
Remain wasn't on the table though so the legislative default aka the hardline no deal is the defacto route of last resort.
She took the only option available to herShe can refuse his request on this same as she can dismiss him and inform parliament to appoint a new one.
The privy council has been the bigger factor than johnson and their approval of this idea
Today she took an option that will lessen her standing as she has approved an undemocratic stance by johnson in circumnavigating our parliamentry system.
May, Fox, Johnson and Davies, never allowed it to be even contemplated, if they had maybe some of the remainers would have voted for it, and as you say avoided the chaos.If remainers in Parliament had spent more time and energy advocating joining the EFTA rather than trying to stop leaving the EU, we possibly might have avoided all this chaos.
If remainers in Parliament had spent more time and energy advocating joining the EFTA rather than trying to stop leaving the EU, we possibly might have avoided all this chaos.
Such an obvious statement of factMost definitely. You must be prepared and demonstrate that you will leave with no deal to get a decent deal. Let's be honest during Mays premiership our negotiations were pitiful. Not much more than Cameron's pathetic efforts. She wasted three years.
Remainers have been so heavily focused on their own 'radicalisation', that they've failed to notice, or didn't care, that their actions were provoking a radicalisation of Leavers. The term 'reaping what you sow' springs to mind.Spot on
Oh - I have it recordedHaha I’ve missed all this, please tell me that’s true
But it fits the desired narrative - whereas the mainstream employment stats......That looks a very myopic repot/set of figures and doesn’t look at overall unemployment figures
Such an obvious statement of fact
Lost on some on here
We are indeed not prepared - May is to blame for that - 3 years to prepare mainly wasted.But we are not prepared. They know it and the UK know it - who, exactly is he trying to kid? If we do leave with no-deal we will be begging the EU for a trade deal to which their response will be ‘sure, pay what you owe and sign off on the backstop and we can talk then’
As it turns out, all we are doing is showing what a fucking mess we are on the chance the EU will sprinkle some colourful language on the WA so Johnson can sell it to the House
Taking back control, so much control.....
Fuck me - with hindsight she is my heroine!!!!Yeah it’s the legal process open to anyone isn’t it.
Most people can’t afford city lawyers and queens counsel to prove a point which was a silly point to prove because all that happened following her “win” was a formal vote was then held by parliament to invoke article 50 and they pretty much all voted in favour.
I don’t know how to respond to the phrase “ he is flying in the face of evidence”
What is it with you Remainers and your continuous twisting of other people words to make them mean what you want to slag off rather than what was saidWhat planet do you live on. Do you actually believe that? You will be coming out with ‘they need us more than we need them’ next. Laughable.
Indeed, all that time spent moaning and rejecting all forms of Brexit has directly led to where we are.
If the SNP/Labour/Lib Dems/Rebel Tories all voted in the indicative votes for EFTA or anything else then we would potentially be joining EFTA on the 31st October and it would be sorted.
However, the one thing they were all actually indirectly voting to try and get was a second referendum. They didn't get it though, it has gone and now a determined government has taken away their one final ability to frustrate and obstruct the process.
To call it undemocratic when they have spent 3 years voting to overturn democracy.. You couldn't make it up.