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This is the interesting and oversimplified take that an opposition to no deal is pro-Eu.

It seems that many now have shifted towards the idea that no deal is the only true Brexit and it’s not. It’s the one we were told wouldn’t ever happen and that’s why a vote to leave wasn’t dangerous.

For example Ken Clarke actually put forward a motion of leaving the EU and wanted the house to back it.
That’s certainly the way the narrative is going. Apparently if you aren’t fully behind No Deal you’re an EU lover that wants full integration. Bit pathetic really but it will work for a significant number of people. That’s the power of the media and fake news.
 
That’s certainly the way the narrative is going. Apparently if you aren’t fully behind No Deal you’re an EU lover that wants full integration. Bit pathetic really but it will work for a significant number of people. That’s the power of the media and fake news.
It works for the Leaver pack on here.

(Word of the week it seems.)
 
Labour and Momentum must be looking on in envy at the way Johnson and co are seeking to purge the Tory party of unbelievers. Not so much a broad church but a narrow sect.
The 2019 Reith Lecturer says the membership of Momentum, the Labour Party, the Tories, the Lib Dems and all the other UK political parties combined is dwarfed by that of the RSPB.
 
An alternative take. Telegraph.

‘A Tory MP opposed to no deal is suggesting mixed messages from the whips. Says they have not been threatened with deselection: “The whipping has been very light. They want to lose the vote... They aren't negotiating, they have no idea what to replace the backstop with.”’
 
An alternative take. Telegraph.

‘A Tory MP opposed to no deal is suggesting mixed messages from the whips. Says they have not been threatened with deselection: “The whipping has been very light. They want to lose the vote... They aren't negotiating, they have no idea what to replace the backstop with.”’
Does he have a villa in France?
 
If the government loses its majority by removing the whip from its own MPs, how does that help it defend against a legal challenge that a minority government should not be proroguing Parliament to avoid parliamentary scrutiny?
 
I think Grieve definitely won't. Not sure about any of the others. By the law of averages, some might be ready to hang their boots up anyway, or realise the game, for them, is nearly up; that will have a bearing on their disposition towards any voting.

Clarke is an obvious one as well.
Hammond is nearing 64, and I can imagine him deciding that 22 years is enough as an MP.
 
I am not trying to justify the British involvement in the evil practice of slavery or indeed the rapacious greed and exploitation that characterised both colonial expansion and the similar treatment of our own population. I do maintain that the control and profit drivers you cite were seen as a means to the honourable end of expanding civilization as we understood it and not as ends in themselves.

Interesting take on things, from a British point of view.
From those whose countries were marched into, substitute the word colonized with subjugated.
 
If the government loses its majority by removing the whip from its own MPs, how does that help it defend against a legal challenge that a minority government should not be proroguing Parliament to avoid parliamentary scrutiny?

Its a death cult - Boris is our Jim Jones and he expects us to all take his medicine and follow him into his promised land
 
Rory Stewart just tweeted in effect ‘bring it on’. David Gauke is another.

Wonder what Theresa May will do?
These sort of names are all pretty predictable though. Just like high profile labour resignations of recent years, their actual gripe is that they have seen their arses over their own partys leadership elections and are just waiting for an opportunity to flounce off in the most damaging way.
 
Yes, the thing with polls is they don’t tell you whats happening in individual seats, It’s highly unlikely they would get anywhere near the 13 seats they got in Scotland no matter what the polls say. The triple whammy of Brexit, Johnson and Davidson they will be lucky to get 3.
They will have seats they have taken from the Liberals recently a few Brexit party votes will see them swing back. So 34% doesn’t translate to seats. Its 3% down so if they lose seats to SNP and liberals they would need to be the main beneficiary of lost labour seats. I have no idea how many labour seats Conservatives were in second place and were winnable.
There will be no working majority either way so it will depend on those best placed to make deals and the tories only have the 10 or so DUP seats to count on.
If there’s a GE the DUP will need to win those seats again would they not?
I wouldn’t bet against a backlash against them in NI although maybe some of our NI posters could offer an opinion there.
 
An alternative take. Telegraph.

‘A Tory MP opposed to no deal is suggesting mixed messages from the whips. Says they have not been threatened with deselection: “The whipping has been very light. They want to lose the vote... They aren't negotiating, they have no idea what to replace the backstop with.”’
I knew it!
 
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