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urban genie said:
331 tbf when king billy landed and dethroned charles II

Plus technically parts of our landmass was conqoured when the whole of the british empire in South east Asia was conquored by the Japanese in WW2.

Or does that not count?
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Nope. They've got no as great geographical position to defend themselves as Britain do. if Luxembourg had British geographical position, they'd probably not be conquered for a long time too. Even with their population, let alone British.

Nationalist myths are funny one. There are as many exceptional nations and countries as the number of countries. In their own eyes. I've never seen more stupid ideology than nationalism. Being proud on something just because it happened that your father had coitus with your mother at some particular place on the Earth. Wow, such thing to be proud of. I'm fairly tolerant to any other ideology as all of them require some intellectual work and making a choice. But nationalism, lol, the laziest and least intellectual of all ideologies. Pure nonsense.
 
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bluethrunthru said:
Phillip Hammond when savaging Johnson on the radio this morning said as much - he even pointed out that the first thing this govt did was disband the negotiating TEAM - this exposes his lies again. How many times can this man be allowed to just lie

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-n...-a-quarter-of-size-under-theresa-may-11801624
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Yup it's obvious that they want a no deal and there only chance of getting it through is to try and device parliament into believing that this will somehow help them into getting a deal - a prospect I just really cannot see happening
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
Yup it's obvious that they want a no deal and there only chance of getting it through is to try and device parliament into believing that this will somehow help them into getting a deal - a prospect I just really cannot see happening
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well the EU are keeping to their guns - it makes it easy for them when there's nobody sat across the table from you I suppose. I imagine when the shit hits the fan the truth will come out from the EU side and then the true extent of Maydays ineptitude ( mostly revealed in that documentary ) will out and the truth of what Johnson has been up to will be laid bare. I expect there will be a few broadsides fired Farage's way once he can't stand up and pontificate in the chamber.
 
It was mentioned earlier today that he could veto his request of an extension in a vote of the EU28 at the European summit. Apparently it requires all 28 to be in agreement for the extension to be granted.
Nah. He wouldn't, would he ?
 
BosnianBlue said:
Nope. They've got no as great geographical position to defend themselves as Britain do. if Luxembourg had British geographical position, they'd probably not be conquered for a long time too. Even with their population, let alone British.

Nationalist myths are funny one. There are as many exceptional nations and countries as the number of countries. In their own eyes. I've never seen more stupid ideology than nationalism. Being proud on something just because it happened that your father had coitus with your mother at some particular place on the Earth. Wow, such thing to be proud of. I'm fairly tolerant to any other ideology as all of them require some intellectual work and making a choice. But nationalism, lol, the laziest and least intellectual of all ideologies. Pure nonsense.
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*applauds*
 
bluethrunthru said:
well the EU are keeping to their guns - it makes it easy for them when there's nobody sat across the table from you I suppose. I imagine when the shit hits the fan the truth will come out then the true extent of Maydays ineptitude ( mostly revealed in that documentary ) will out and the truth of what Johnson has been up to will be laid bare. I expect there will be a few broadsides fired Farage's way once he can't stand up and pontificate in the chamber.
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The EU will stick to it's guns because Britain's refusal to bend on its deal-breakers leave them no choice. The attached image shows all relationships the EU have with members who aren't part of the Union

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I've posted this video earlier because it does an amazing job of why their won't be a deal under the current demands of the government

 
i kne albert davy said:
Quite possibly concerns over unrestricted immigration into the UK got the leave vote over the line,but what many fail to see or don't want to see is that having concerns about it doesn't make people Nazis in a democratic society it should be able to be discussed.
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Gaylord du Bois said:
It was mentioned earlier today that he could veto his request of an extension in a vote of the EU28 at the European summit. Apparently it requires all 28 to be in agreement for the extension to be granted.
Nah. He wouldn't, would he ?
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More likely to put someone else up to doing it.
 
According to reports....

Why are labour going to turn down the chance of a GE on 14th Oct? The only valid reason would be to stop Johnson being able to move the GE to after 31st Oct hence allowing a no deal Brexit to go through however, even with guarantees that the date will be 14th Oct, they would still oppose? I just don’t get it. Surely it’s the oppositions role to push for a GE?

The idea that they want to let Johnson stew doesn’t make any sense to me.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Sorry - that was meant for @Magicpole
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Yes. I am still not convinced it would happen, but it certainly improves the chances. We voted, as I’m sure you know, 62% to Remain. As part of Project Fear, we were told that we would be outwith the EU. They wouldn’t have us. Even with our fish, our oil, our agriculture, our water, our technology, our financial system, our renewable energy potential, our education system, our R&D. That much of our prosperity would go and the only way to stay in the EU would be to vote No.

We did and now the arguments for remaining are shat on, suddenly everything will actually be better.

Boris is a toffy nosed chancer. He is a liar, and worse than that, reckless. He knows that him and people like him will not carry the can. He is insulated by wealth. He tries to evoke Churchilian. Forgetting perhaps that it was Churchill who expoused the need for a European Union to prevent wars. He forgets a lot of things does Boris.

My hope is we recognise the slippery slope of not only what Brexit will mean, but wider, the realisation that from now on we will have Tory rule. Even if Labour were to get their act together they would need to dilute their programme to ensure victory to the point they would be no better than Tories.

Boris might be liked in England. Up here we see him as a twat. A toffy nosed twat. Arrogant, privelidged and aloof.

He is the perfect bogey twat. He embodies everything I hope a substantial majority detests. His sucking of the Trump mushroom cock, will increase the feeling of, we need to go.

Nothing is certain though, as we have a great number of people who love nothing better than tugging the forelock and bending the knee.

Boris is our Trump. And hopefully will be a trump card in helping us over the line. The only person who would have been as effective is Gove. The more loathsome nutters leading the Tories and us down the shitter, the better.

Sad, but we must utilise every political opportunity and Boris comes gold plated.
 
Hesperus said:
According to reports....

Why are labour going to turn down the chance of a GE on 14th Oct? The only valid reason would be to stop Johnson being able to move the GE to after 31st Oct hence allowing a no deal Brexit to go through however, even with guarantees that the date will be 14th Oct, they would still oppose? I just don’t get it. Surely it’s the oppositions role to push for a GE?

The idea that they want to let Johnson stew doesn’t make any sense to me.
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I heard on the radio earlier from one commentator that one way out of it for Johnson would be to move a vote of no confidence in himself and his government - win that - force an election? If so I suspect its now just about humiliating him? How would it be credible for a man to stand for PM on the understanding the election was only taking place because he had declared no confidence in himself !
 
Hesperus said:
According to reports....

Why are labour going to turn down the chance of a GE on 14th Oct? The only valid reason would be to stop Johnson being able to move the GE to after 31st Oct hence allowing a no deal Brexit to go through however, even with guarantees that the date will be 14th Oct, they would still oppose? I just don’t get it. Surely it’s the oppositions role to push for a GE?

The idea that they want to let Johnson stew doesn’t make any sense to me.
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From my limited understanding it is a) they don’t want it to be on his terms, if he’s struggling let him struggle seems to the way but also b) they don’t want to say yes to an election on (let’s say) the 14th of October then half way through the campaign he just move the date to sometime past the EU exit date, leaving Labour stood there holding their collective todgers(an under used word, I think you’ll agree)
 
Magicpole said:
Yes. I am still not convinced it would happen, but it certainly improves the chances. We voted, as I’m sure you know, 62% to Remain. As part of Project Fear, we were told that we would be outwith the EU. They wouldn’t have us. Even with our fish, our oil, our agriculture, our water, our technology, our financial system, our renewable energy potential, our education system, our R&D. That much of our prosperity would go and the only way to stay in the EU would be to vote No.

We did and now the arguments for remaining are shat on, suddenly everything will actually be better.

Boris is a toffy nosed chancer. He is a liar, and worse than that, reckless. He knows that him and people like him will not carry the can. He is insulated by wealth. He tries to evoke Churchilian. Forgetting perhaps that it was Churchill who expoused the need for a European Union to prevent wars. He forgets a lot of things does Boris.

My hope is we recognise the slippery slope of not only what Brexit will mean, but wider, the realisation that from now on we will have Tory rule. Even if Labour were to get their act together they would need to dilute their programme to ensure victory to the point they would be no better than Tories.

Boris might be liked in England. Up here we see him as a twat. A toffy nosed twat. Arrogant, privelidged and aloof.

He is the perfect bogey twat. He embodies everything I hope a substantial majority detests. His sucking of the Trump mushroom cock, will increase the feeling of, we need to go.

Nothing is certain though, as we have a great number of people who love nothing better than tugging the forelock and bending the knee.

Boris is our Trump. And hopefully will be a trump card in helping us over the line. The only person who would have been as effective is Gove. The more loathsome nutters leading the Tories and us down the shitter, the better.

Sad, but we must utilise every political opportunity and Boris comes gold plated.
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How would you leave the United Kingdom if I were you I wouldn't bother using the referendum method it just doesn't seem to mean anything.
 
bluethrunthru said:
I heard on the radio earlier from one commentator that one way out of it for Johnson would be to move a vote of no confidence in himself and his government - win that - force an election? If so I suspect its now just about humiliating him? How would it be credible for a man to stand for PM on the understanding the election was only taking place because he had declared no confidence in himself !
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I guess he could legitimately say he needs to act to push it forward rather than stagnation. The other thing he can do if he calls a vote of no confidence in him self is name the date of the election and he could put it for after 31st Oct meaning a no deal brexit goes through!

Which also begs the question what are labour playing at?
 
George Hannah said:
Grieve now attacking Mogg - real hatred there - no argument at all contesting his central point about the executive being improperly prevented from initiating legislation by the speaker - just visceral and contemptuous abuse. Just like on here.
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having witnessed Mogg's behaviour earlier, anyone not standing up and calling him a "right dishonourable ****" is being too kind to him.
 
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