Another new Brexit thread

  • Thread starter Thread starter Ric
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
Chippy_boy said:
I'm probably not far behind you in the pissed off stakes, mate. Although we've had our differences and come at it from completely different angles, I think everyone can agree what a complete and utter omni-shambles this whole thing is.

If the upshot is that we don't leave at all, then Brexit supporters have absolutely every right to be monumentally pissed off. From my side, I would say that it has been abundantly clear for the past 50 years that this country does NOT want the sort of hard left politics espoused by Jeremy fucking Corbyn, and certainly not by that utter, utter wanker, John McDonnell.

And yet by the most ironic of all circumstances, it is the actions of the right wing idiots in the Tory part who may very well hand the keys of No.10 to the man they despise most.

People may say, ah yes, but only for 5 years and he will be powerless anyway. I pray they are right. The way this going, who knows, he might even get a majority. And were that to come to pass the Tories would probably by then have dismantled themselves into such a completely unelectable state, we could be looking at Corbyn followed by god-knows-which other complete nutter from his band of cohorts for 2 terms or more. It really doesn't bare thinking of.

Honestly, it's got the point where I am hoping for hard Brexit, rather than that.
Click to expand...

I thought you said he was unelectable or have I got the wrong poster? Genuine question.
 
Ban-jani said:
But you can get that with leaving with a deal.

As long as we leave the EU politically we can do whatever we want economically.

Leaving with no deal will bankrupt us and make life incredibly hard for Corbyn to transition us into social democracy/socialism.

He’s far better doing it when we’re doing okay as it will be relatively bumpy, despite the fact I now think it definitely needs to happen to save this country.
Click to expand...

That of course would then go back to what sort of deal we got. If the deal kept in place strictures that included an adherence to neo liberal philosophies then i would have to say no way Jose.

As i have tried to explain before mate, i always saw remain as status quo, and i was always a fully federal or nothing person.
 
inbetween said:
This will be tested and resolved by a GE.

The undertone has been present ever since May won (or lost depending on your perspective) the last election.

If the people return Boris with a majority with the Tories on their own or with TBP then the whole matter is put to bed.

Where I as a remainer have to remain a democrat is I am almost fully sure that the people will return that result.

I cannot see any scenario where the Tories wouldn't be able to form a government and that is where certainly remain are being extremely short-sighted and why an election is so dangerous.

I honestly don't understand why remainers would want Nigel Farage to have a shot at becoming an MP and getting some real power because he is extremely likely to get in.
Click to expand...

We will have to have an election.

If the far right alliance are in the majority afterwards, they can have their disaster Brexit & will have a mandate for it.

If the parties who are offering a referendum or no Brexit are in the majority, they will be completely within their rights to follow their agenda.

A Brexit deal was promised last time & also during the referendum, so there is no mandate for what the government or the opposition are currently doing.
 
i kne albert davy said:
But surely he's confident of winning so could make his own deals with a majority in parliament, personally having voted Labour all my adult life I don't think he's got a cat in hell's chance.
Click to expand...
It's not about being confident or not,i'm sure he is,the events of the last week and respected mp's being thrown out would have all been for nothing if he had agreed to the election,no deal has to be off the table first,if that is done by monday night then labour will vote for the election then,what boris has tried to do has been outrageous and his last chip was calling an election,it was very clever of labour to say not yet,as a lapsed labour voter i have never liked corbyn,we might as well have a hologram for all the use he has been,he finally has done the right thing
 
Rascal said:
That of course would then go back to what sort of deal we got. If the deal kept in place strictures that included an adherence to neo liberal philosophies then i would have to say no way Jose.

As i have tried to explain before mate, i always saw remain as status quo, and i was always a fully federal or nothing person.
Click to expand...

If we’re getting a deal we’re getting one that will allow Prime Minister Corbyn to enact whatever policy he wishes. Nobody is suggesting a deal that wouldn’t allow this.
 
Ban-jani said:
If we’re getting a deal we’re getting one that will allow Prime Minister Corbyn to enact whatever policy he wishes. Nobody is suggesting a deal that wouldn’t allow this.
Click to expand...
I think the Socialist economic policies Corbyn has claimed he'd like to implement would be blocked by EU regs as they stand.
 
karen7 said:
It's not about being confident or not,i'm sure he is,the events of the last week and respected mp's being thrown out would have all been for nothing if he had agreed to the election,no deal has to be off the table first,if that is done by monday night then labour will vote for the election then,what boris has tried to do has been outrageous and his last chip was calling an election,it was very clever of labour to say not yet,as a lapsed labour voter i have never liked corbyn,we might as well have a hologram for all the use he has been,he finally has done the right thing
Click to expand...
Unfortunately when Boris is returned with a clear majority he will simply pass another bill so all will have been in vain.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
This is what many in the remain camp fail to understand. For those already in the economic abyss, the threat of queues at Dover or fiscal hardship hold no threat.
Click to expand...

Of course people understand this.

And that there are loads of old farts who especially don't like foreigners telling them which ingredients should go in their sausages, who also have nothing to lose. Loads of rich tory twats who have nothing to lose & loads of little Englanders & thick headed racists, who have nothing to lose.

Then there are those who thought it through & genuinely believed the country would be better off.

Some of those still believe it, some have seen through it & want a chance to get rid of it.

Hopefully the combination of them, plus new young voters & the fact that some bigoted old cunts will have dropped dead, will be enough to fuck it off.
 
i kne albert davy said:
Unfortunately when Boris is returned with a clear majority he will simply pass another bill so all will have been in vain.
Click to expand...
I don't think he will get a clear majority, and I don't think anyone else will either. Hung parliament or minority govt is my best guess whoever is pm and it'll be very much a case of as you were. Even if the Tories and labour managed to make it essentially referendum 2 with one standing fir remain and other leave it would probably end up 50/50 with some loon holding the casting vote (again)
 
Neville Kneville said:
Of course people understand this.

And that there are loads of old farts who especially don't like foreigners telling them which ingredients should go in their sausages, who also have nothing to lose. Loads of rich tory twats who have nothing to lose & loads of little Englanders & thick headed racists, who have nothing to lose.

Then there are those who thought it through & genuinely believed the country would be better off.

Some of those still believe it, some have seen through it & want a chance to get rid of it.

Hopefully the combination of them, plus new young voters & the fact that some bigoted old cunts will have dropped dead, will be enough to fuck it off.
Click to expand...
Your own kindness and humility shine through in this post as a beacon in the darkness :-)
 
I've got a bad feeling that a big percentage of the public are so sick of anything Brexit that they just want us to leave now. With or without a deal.
That scares me.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Unread Posts

Don't have an account? Register now and see fewer ads!

SIGN UP
Back
Top