Another new Brexit thread

[mancity2012_eamo]

Holy fuck.

Don't be alarmed. They still won't take their seats in Westminster.
It would just mean less DUP to prop up the No Deal parties.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Northern Irish politics has been heading for a bit of a shake up. The issues are moving away from the two mian parties - do DUP voters really want brexit, do SF voters really want to have zero voice in the brexit debate.

I hope they're both hammered in an election.

 

[Ban-jani]

That's not true.

Why can't we negotiate and then leave in 5 years or 10 years?

Why 2 years? No precedent was set for 2 years so why and who decided upon this arbitrary time limit?

Also, why couldn't we negotiate parts of a deal before triggering Article 50?

Of course the only answer to that is because it would give an advantage to the leaving member state.

The timetable under Article 50
This procedure does not guarantee that the terms offered will necessarily be acceptable. But the fundamental point is that even if an agreement cannot be reached, the UK will cease to be subject to the EU treaties and will become a free and independent State at the end of the 2 year period which began the day the UK gave its formal notice under Article 50(2). UK invocation of Article 50(2) occurred on 29 March 2017 meaning the UK will cease to subject to EU treaties on 29 March 2019 (at 11pm, to be precise).

https://lawyersforbritain.org/brexi...ow-brexit-works/brexit-the-article-50-process

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

They won't be, the SDLP and Alliance will.

It would be wonderful to see a clearout of the DUP and Sinn Fein and never mind Brexit, get parties in that would actually get the assembly up and running again.

 

[George Hannah]

You’re living in a fantasy. I’ve seen the documentary and the presentation.

The EU don’t want us to leave but the point of A50 is to allow countries to leave whenever they want.

The EU have always said we can leave with no deal if we wish, again when Raab came in and though cockiness would sort it out and Barnier very quickly calling his bluff and saying “go with no deal tomorrow if you wish, I’ll phone the European Council right now and tell them that’s what Britain is doing” highlighted this.

If we’re going to get a deal we play by the rules and unfortunately the right wing cretins that have ruined this country didn’t want to.

The fantasy is that there could ever be a deal offering better terms than remaining inside the EU, or indeed they would allow us to leave without inflicting significant economic damage. As it now turns out in the case of the backstop, even a deal that would allow us to leave at all as an intact country is impossible. It could have been Karl Marx doing the negotiation and nothing would be different.

 

[Ban-jani]

Is it a double Clarkie?
I never can tell.

No it isn’t haha.

My point is that the Tory leadership are saying no deal is on the table to scare the EU into giving us a new deal.

They’re also saying that the public have nothing to worry about.

So why does the EU need to worry about it but not me?

The fact that they’re expecting the EU to be worried about it means that I should be too, surely?

 

[Ban-jani]

The fantasy is that there could ever be deal offering better terms than remaining inside the EU, or indeed they would allow us to leave without inflicting significant economic damage. As it now turns out in the case of the backstop, even a deal that would allow us to leave at all as an intact country is impossible.

I absolutely, utterly, completely, totally and wholeheartedly agree with you here.

You just became a remainer with this line, congratulations.

 

[bluemoon32]

Listened to some people in Port Talbot on the radio saying they just want to leave Europe asap. Given this part of the UK received more EU help than anywhere else I have come to the conclusion as a remainer that the situation is hopeless.

I want us to leave with no deal and I want leave voters and their politicians to take responsibility for what happens. If shit hits the fan it's down to them. Equally if it all turns out well I'll doff my cap to them.

As a Welshman, albeit one who now lives in England, i couldn't believe how many people voted to leave in Wales.
There are many poor areas in Wales and if these people think that the funding they'll lose from the EU will be replaced by funding from London then i believe they're badly wrong.
Turkeys voting for Christmas

 

[BobKowalski]

Minutes from Cabinet Conference call 28th August

 

[George Hannah]

I absolutely, utterly, completely, totally and wholeheartedly agree with you here.

You just became a remainer with this line, congratulations.

I do wish you'd let me finish editing before you reply - I'm on a very small iphone.

 

[Ban-jani]

I do wish you'd let me finish editing before you reply - I'm on a very small iphone.

Haha :-)

 

[west didsblue]

The fantasy is that there could ever be a deal offering better terms than remaining inside the EU, or indeed they would allow us to leave without inflicting significant economic damage. As it now turns out in the case of the backstop, even a deal that would allow us to leave at all as an intact country is impossible. It could have been Karl Marx doing the negotiation and nothing would be different.

Welcome to reality.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Listened to some people in Port Talbot on the radio saying they just want to leave Europe asap. Given this part of the UK received more EU help than anywhere else I have come to the conclusion as a remainer that the situation is hopeless.

I want us to leave with no deal and I want leave voters and their politicians to take responsibility for what happens. If shit hits the fan it's down to them. Equally if it all turns out well I'll doff my cap to them.

It's one of those paradoxical situations, like how the places who are most likely to moan about immigrants are the towns where there are none.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

The delusion is strong with this one.

Tbh mate, if you can't accept people have different opinions to yourself you've got some growing up to do. It's an issue that divides the population almost equally down the middle and if nothing else, it's statistically unlikely that 50% of people are deluded. It's a strange sort of liberalism that characterises any opinion that differs from theirs in this way. I have no problem with respecting your opinion even if I don't agree with it. I certainly don't need to belittle it just to feel better about my own. I've always said the referendum result pretty much reflects my own opinion on Brexit - marginally in favour of leave. It seems it's the extremists at both ends that seek to polarise opinion and force any nuance out of this.

 

[BobKowalski]

All getting a bit Trumpy :)

 

[BobKowalski]

Tbh mate, if you can't accept people have different opinions to yourself you've got some growing up to do. It's an issue that divides the population almost equally down the middle and if nothing else, it's statistically unlikely that 50% of people are deluded. It's a strange sort of liberalism that characterises any opinion that differs from theirs in this way. I have no problem with respecting your opinion even if I don't agree with it. I certainly don't need to belittle it just to feel better about my own. I've always said the referendum result pretty much reflects my own opinion on Brexit - marginally in favour of leave. It seems it's the extremists at both ends that seek to polarise opinion and force any nuance out of this.

No problem with different opinions just not a fan of people who deny facts. It was by denying facts and indulging in lies that led to this shitshow.

 

[i kne albert davy]

Pissed off that as a country a few hundred MP's have decided that they will ignore the result of the ref and basically the electorate mate thats all but it was fully expected.

As for the rest of your post, agree and its what we have consistently said. These MP's have given the EU the green light to shaft us if they want and to never do a deal that would pass through Parliament.

I just hope at the next GE many in the ERG and many on the remain side are looking for new jobs as they have utterly failed the electorate.

I'm no Tory but if judging from on here the people of this country are so desperate to remain in the EU why is Jezza so shit scared of a General election him and the liberals should walk in. Strange he's so reticent as that's the way to decide this once and for all.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

No problem with different opinions just not a fan of people who deny facts. It was by denying facts and indulging in lies that led to this shitshow.

I'm not denying any facts, just disagreeing with opposing beliefs. You are under no more obligation to be 'a fan' of these than you are to be a fan of the rags as far as I'm concerned, and I would not seek to ram my views down your throat by belliteling your own. I actually find many of the arguments for remain have a lot of merit, but it is often the lack of honesty in respect of the negatives of remain that make me doubt them. I think the truth may be that both brexit and remain arguments have their merits and drawbacks, but people are scared to recognise this in case they accidentally concede ground. This level of insecurity suggests to me that the arguments of both sides are full of holes.

 

[Saddleworth2]

In fairness, I didn't know that was the reason some people put @ infront of names.
To get this straight, does it mean the person gets an alert that they've been mentioned?

Yes, that’s right.

 

[blueish swede]

I'm no Tory but if judging from on here the people of this country are so desperate to remain in the EU why is Jezza so shit scared of a General election him and the liberals should walk in. Strange he's so reticent as that's the way to decide this once and for all.

As Napoleon said: Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.