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32 hours a week at a tenner per hour, £320 won’t go that far when Business’s have to increase prices to pay for the 25% wage hike.

It doesn’t work like that. The number of days or hours worked is not hard wired to productivity. A lot of companies are experimenting with four day weeks measured against employee well being and overall productivity.

Basic rule. A happy worker is more productive than an unhappy worker.
 
Runaway inflation is the hallmark of socialist economics. What's next, nationalising Tesco?
Considering how much the £ has devalued in recent years then I hope you all have your wallets ready for inspection!

Here we go.

You will be aware i am sure of Stagflation, caused by supply side issues, like unforeseen rises in oil prices circa OPEC in the early 70s. That coincided with many of the major western economies regardless of who was in government having high inflation and growing unemployment. Blaming Labour for that is like blaming Labour for the 2008 banking crash, basically it is nonsense, because it was a worldwide phenomena.

The UK was at particularly at risk in the 70s because of Heaths incomes policy and exacerbated by President Nixon's imposition of wage and price controls. This led to a shortage of scarce resources, it is no accident that when resources are scarce inflation rises.

But you i am sure you knew that, but blamed Labour anyway because that is what Tories do when they are scared of the rise of Socialism,
 
Whilst that may work at a Labour Party conference, I don’t think it’s a sensible approach going into a general election

Its what all parties do mate, they test the water and try to move the Overton window in there favour. That is the whole point of Conference.
 
Incorrect. Teachers in the private sector should get a company pension or access to a company scheme as most of us do and receive the usual state pension as again we all do. Private schools save on this by not providing a private scheme as there is a separate State scheme for teachers. In effect a private company is optioning out of their obligation to provide a work place scheme and relying on the state. This workplace subsidy is my beef.

Providing tax breaks and State subsidies for the well off to send their kids to private schools is not sustainable nor is it equitable. Tories like Gove and Hammond know this, which is probably why the Tories will be the ones to end them just as it was Thatcher who put the final knife into Grammar schools.

And no you do not penalise the children of the less well off to subsidise the education and healthcare of the well off. That is how revolutions start. We can at least aspire to be a meritocracy rather then entrenching an oligarchy.

So you're saying private schools should have to contribute to a workplace pension, whereas state schools should not. What's your logic for that? Why should private schools be penalised, compared to state schools?

And again, tax breaks are not equitable, IN YOUR OPINION.

And what is this "penalise the children of the less well off" bollocks. You're starting to sound like Rascal.

Many's the day I went to my comprehensive and thought "my how my education is being penalised by kids going to Stockport Grammar". What a load of crap.
 
Whilst that may work at a Labour Party conference, I don’t think it’s a sensible approach going into a general election

That’s largely due to framing. You can see it on here. Labour announce plans for a four day week. People set their hair on fire and run around screaming it’s the end of civilisation.

The fact remains as an idea it is being considered and trialed. German workers work less hours than anyone and are amongst the most productive. Automation is going to be an increasing factor. Looking at how we work and the way we work is going to be part of that. The five day working week was pioneered in the 1900’s so maybe it’s time to look at it again.
 
Well first, nice to see you dropped the "private school teachers shouldn't get a state pension" bullshit. That was bloody offensive and very very silly, wasn't it.

My beef with it, Bob, is that people already have to pay a fucking fortune to send their kids to private school. And whilst there are a few loaded toffs to whom money is no object, there are thousands of people who are not so lucky and who scrimp and save and make all sorts of sacrifices to be able to afford it. I know MANY such people, and if I had kids - I do not - that would probably be the situation I found myself in.

Your proposals would inevitably push up fees even higher and make it unaffordable for decent hard-working people who of their free volition wish to make these life compromises for their kids.

And of course Corbyn, given half a chance, will make it worse. Because he wants to tax them more as well.

If I had my way, I'd give tax relief on private education AND private healthcare contributions. The state should be encouraging people who can stand on their own two feet, to not rely on state services. At the moment, we do the exact opposite.


My school fee paying days have just ended and I can assure you that we have made many sacrifices to put our children through private schooling.

They first went to private school because their state primary school was failing them.

Private schooling does not need t be made more expensive and it does not need nationalising.

State schools need bringing up to the mark and then loads of people will not feel the need to use private schools. I would have loved not to have felt that I had to send my kids to private school.
 
State schools need bringing up to the mark and then loads of people will not feel the need to use private schools. I would have loved not to have felt that I had to send my kids to private school.

Absolutely bang on.

If the state schools are excellent and kids get the very best education public schools will die out naturally as they will just become a status symbol
 
My school fee paying days have just ended and I can assure you that we have made many sacrifices to put our children through private schooling.

They first went to private school because their state primary school was failing them.

Private schooling does not need t be made more expensive and it does not need nationalising.

State schools need bringing up to the mark and then loads of people will not feel the need to use private schools. I would have loved not to have felt that I had to send my kids to private school.
Agreed in every respect.

And the way to do this is NOT to first of all, trash the private school system so that everyone has to accept 2nd best.
 
So you're saying private schools should have to contribute to a workplace pension, whereas state schools should not. What's your logic for that? Why should private schools be penalised, compared to state schools?

And again, tax breaks are not equitable, IN YOUR OPINION.

And what is this "penalise the children of the less well off" bollocks. You're starting to sound like Rascal.

Under the Pensions Act 2008 all Employers have to provide a pension or access to one and pay contributions if required. What makes the Private School special? They have employees. They pay them. Pay them a sodding pension. I pay enough in taxes so fuck ‘em. Pay your own way, don’t rely on the State, stand on your own two feet. That’s how it works right?
 
It doesn’t work like that. The number of days or hours worked is not hard wired to productivity. A lot of companies are experimenting with four day weeks measured against employee well being and overall productivity.

Basic rule. A happy worker is more productive than an unhappy worker.

It is in some sectors. Manufacturing, Retail.
 
No, you've outed yourself as either not reading properly or perhaps not thinking things through.

Instead of your stupid line above, what I actually said was,

"if someone is very intelligent and happens through their intelligence, to do well for themselves and make a lot of money, there seems to be a good chance that their kids will have higher than average intelligence as well."
  1. There is an undeniable correlation between intelligent parents and intelligent children. Partly genetic, partly down to their environment, their peers and how much time and effort the parents invest in their kids, it matters not. The correlation is undeniable.
  2. There is also an undeniable correlation between levels of intelligence and levels of income.
  3. There is also therefore a correlation between levels of income of parents and levels of intelligence of their kids.
I'm assuming you do know what correlation means? It does not mean every parent and every child. It means on balance, more likely etc.

There might be all sorts of reasons why rich kids get the top jobs other than how intelligent they are per se. But that is not the point, and whether you accept the above or not is really down to whether or not you accept reality.

And it is this kind of 'privilege' about which I heard some gobby lass this morning issue a warning a Labour Government would put a stop - again! But when you look at a few more details what exactly are the privileges to which they are gonna put a stop? I think it centres around people buying stuff with their own hard earned, the same stuff which those who seek to ban cannot or would not buy - so we're gonna stop others doing it! This morning it was private education that would be banned. Just where are the DofE schools to which these 'school-less' pupils could be sent? Or are the 'private' schools gonna be 'sovietized'?
 
Under the Pensions Act 2008 all Employers have to provide a pension or access to one and pay contributions if required. What makes the Private School special? They have employees. They pay them. Pay them a sodding pension. I pay enough in taxes so fuck ‘em. Pay your own way, don’t rely on the State, stand on your own two feet. That’s how it works right?

I'm not the one saying schools are special, Bob. You brought that up. Apparently - according to you - schools don't have to provide private pensions. Why should private schools be different from state schools in this respect?
 
And it is this kind of 'privilege' about which I heard some gobby lass this morning issue a warning a Labour Government would put a stop - again! But when you look at a few more details what exactly are the privileges to which they are gonna put a stop? I think it centres around people buying stuff with their own hard earned, the same stuff which those who seek to ban cannot or would not buy - so we're gonna stop others doing it! This morning it was private education that would be banned. Just where are the DofE schools to which these 'school-less' pupils could be sent? Or are the 'private' schools gonna be 'sovietized'?
Brilliant, love a Communist reference.

Imagine a state school system that put the first man on Mars, just like the Soviet system put the first man in space.

You miss the point though, you make state education as good if not better than Eton and then there would be need for public schools at all, because every kid regardless of background would be able to make the very best of their abilities, which would greatly improve this countries productivity problems as a well educated workforce is proven to help GDP growth.

Its simples.
 
I'm not the one saying schools are special, Bob. You brought that up. Apparently - according to you - schools don't have to provide private pensions. Why should private schools be different from state schools in this respect?

Because they are a private business? Seriously I’m arguing they should be treated like everyone else. Want to work in private health care? Guess what? They provide employee benefits like a pension.

Private education is big business. The key word is business. Stop giving them tax breaks, state subsidies and they can succeed or fail on their own merits rather than sucking off the public tit.

How are you not getting this? This is right in your sweet spot.
 
Brilliant, love a Communist reference.

Imagine a state school system that put the first man on Mars, just like the Soviet system put the first man in space.

You miss the point though, you make state education as good if not better than Eton and then there would be need for public schools at all, because every kid regardless of background would be able to make the very best of their abilities, which would greatly improve this countries productivity problems as a well educated workforce is proven to help GDP growth.

Its simples.

I'm all for the state system being as good as or better than - I spent long enough in it flogging my bollocks off! Same as the NHS being as good as private hospitals, but it seems to me that most people who advocate this want other people to pay for it! And the reference to the Soviet system is ever so easy to make when you listen to just some of the stuff that emanates from the likes of McDonnell and his cronies.
 
Because they are a private business? Seriously I’m arguing they should be treated like everyone else. Want to work in private health care? Guess what? They provide employee benefits like a pension.

Private education is big business. The key word is business. Stop giving them tax breaks, state subsidies and they can succeed or fail on their own merits rather than sucking off the public tit.

How are you not getting this? This is right in your sweet spot.

I'm not getting it, Bob, because I don't accept your view that teaching our kids should be treated just like any other business. It is not just like any other business.

Perhaps you'd advocate turning all the state schools into publicly listed companies, just like any other business? Perhaps we should outsource teaching in state schools to private companies? No?

You seem absolutely content with the idea that schools are different and should not be treated like businesses, when the argument suits you, but not if it doesn't.
 
Because they are a private business? Seriously I’m arguing they should be treated like everyone else. Want to work in private health care? Guess what? They provide employee benefits like a pension.

Private education is big business. The key word is business. Stop giving them tax breaks, state subsidies and they can succeed or fail on their own merits rather than sucking off the public tit.

How are you not getting this? This is right in your sweet spot.

Good post.
 
The genetic correlation for intelligence is mostly down the the mother so rich guy marrying blonde bimbo isn’t a good match.

Environment is key. Nourishment is also key. So you are half way to identifying the problem. The solution is to ensure we give as many children the right environment to thrive rather then Govt putting its hand on the scales to benefit those already with an advantage. Favouring a small elite to perpetuate a ruling class is not healthy for any democracy which the current shitshow is amply demonstrating.

Cheers mum
 
I'm all for the state system being as good as or better than - I spent long enough in it flogging my bollocks off! Same as the NHS being as good as private hospitals, but it seems to me that most people who advocate this want other people to pay for it! And the reference to the Soviet system is ever so easy to make when you listen to just some of the stuff that emanates from the likes of McDonnell and his cronies.

Absolutely spot on.

It's incredibly easy to be generous with someone else's money, isn't it. Staggering that Labour seem to think taking ever more of peoples' money off them is the moral high ground. Whereas Tories who want to let people keep just half of what they've earned, are "evil". Staggering.
 

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