Liverpool thread 2019/20

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

THey are saving football now https://www.rousingthekop.com/2019/...win-the-league-to-save-football-city-win-8-0/

Why do you go looking for this crap? It’s a lone bloke, in his bedroom, that nobody gives a rats arse about. Give him a few clicks and he writes more of the same shit. Ignore him and he dies off.

 

[keith's curle]

Wanting to maximise revenue and wanting what's best for the club aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.

I would say that the Glazers are the most malign owners in football, by a county mile; apart from possibly Owen Oysten. To me, they represent, much moreso than Henry, the apotheosis of that most unpleasant and avaricious of creatures, the American billionaire.

I certainly don't disagree with what you're saying, but I'm looking at it from a different perspective. In terms of the effect they each have on their respective clubs Henry compares favourably, although I would contend this won't necessarily be the case long term.

However, I'm looking at it from the perspective of the game as a whole. The others might take advantage of opportunities to get one over their rivals if chances happen , but it seems to be part of Henry's m.o. to go down that route deliberately. I see him as a malign influence on the English game rather than his own club based on the circumstantial evidence.

I can't help thinking I messed my point up with the first post and won't put it right now so I'll just leave it. I've a feeling the subject will come up again.

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

How in the name of fuck did they manage to persuade a club to part with £18 million for Solanke.

Obviously they were just playing the long game as they allowed their 'better than Sterling' replacement Jordan Ibe to sign for them.........

It was time to cash in on that good deed ;-)

 

[Vienna_70]

Not in the last 5 years, he was very careful with his net spend period ;)

Sorry mate.

Guilty of not reading post, to which you replied.

 

[Vienna_70]

Well, at least it's a reply, if a little anodyne.
Was rather more than bad sportsmanship. It was over 100 criminal offences. While committing these offences, Liverpool have waged a five year war against City, accusing them of cheating, starting a war with Yemen, causing climate change, parking their bus in the wrong place etc etc.
Seriously, if you write letters to the Premier League containing accusations that were all shown to be false, it is the height of hypocracy to be hacking City's IT systems at the same time.
There may well be an enquiry now. Perhaps City can feel a little smug at the revellation of double standards.

You should know by now: it’s never their fault.

 

[Vienna_70]

Straight down the middle is old Martin.......... ;-)

Of course he is.

 

[Start2finish]

Obviously they were just playing the long game as they allowed their 'better than Sterling' replacement Jordan Ibe to sign for them.........

It was time to cash in on that good deed ;-)

We buy all our players from Southampton and sell our excess at ridiculous prices to other teams - certainly helps our net spend, but given the last true success after leaving Liverpool was Suarez, you wonder how many more teams will keep shoveling the cash our way........and we said Ibe was better than Sterling in a desparate attempt to convince ourselves that losing him wasn't a huge blow at the time (and an even bigger blow now pep has turned him into a super star)

 

[lasereyes]

Did you really expect KdB to say that it scared the shit out of him and the rest of those on that coach?

Exactly - you never want an opponent know you can be rattled or mind games become fair game from then on. But do you think it is a coincidence that City were all at sea in the first 30 minutes of that tie, yet have been equal or better than Liverpool in every other head to head game over the past 3 seasons (including the remainder of that CL tie)?

 

[Start2finish]

What are your views on Standard Chartered? (sorry if you've covered this)

At the time that they started I was quite happy - they seemed a better option than most sponsors and didn't appear to have to many skeletons. Subsequent reporting of sanctions busting etc has proved they are no better than any of the big banks. I despise them all and wish that the club found another main sponsor.

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

We buy all our players from Southampton and sell our excess at ridiculous prices to other teams - certainly helps our net spend, but given the last true success after leaving Liverpool was Suarez, you wonder how many more teams will keep shoveling the cash our way........and we said Ibe was better than Sterling in a desparate attempt to convince ourselves that losing him wasn't a huge blow at the time (and an even bigger blow now pep has turned him into a super star)

I was only being silly but to be that is a fair and honest assessment

 

[Start2finish]

Fair

It's good to see a detailed reply, thanks. I don't have time to respond to them so I'll give it a miss and save us both the trouble as we're not going to see eye to eye on some at least. However, I'll also say that wasn't the point of my original post (as I've explained elsewhere), I wasn't on about owners with respect to their own clubs, but the impact of those owners on the English game. Looking back I didn't explain that properly so it's no wonder the point was missed. It'll probably come up again sometime so I'll leave it for now.

Fair enough, I realised this from your later posts but I had already written this so posted anyway. I worry about most of the current breed of owners and the long term impact on the game but unfortunately there seems to be little that can be done other than choosing to support a team outside of the top divisions.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Exactly - you never want an opponent know you can be rattled or mind games become fair game from then on. But do you think it is a coincidence that City were all at sea in the first 30 minutes of that tie, yet have been equal or better than Liverpool in every other head to head game over the past 3 seasons (including the remainder of that CL tie)?

The incident 100% affected the players in that game.

In hindsight, Pep should have told FIFA we were refusing to play, stating that Liverpool's inability to control their fans had affected our players and given their team an unfair advantage.

 

[Bill the Blue]

I am getting tired of this ....

I'll try and be as humble as possible with this post as I seem to have had a couple pulled on this thread which to be honest in my opinion were not aggressive, just football banter really. Anyway I've not been posting long and I don't want to upset the resident Mod.. I've been a City fan since the early 70's. many on here for a lot longer. We are all passionate about our club and I for one am sick and tired of having our club's name rubbished by opposing fans who are allowed to post on here and are afforded plenty of slack to spout their crap.. It's funny how the human rites stick that our guest Mr Start2Finish is waving about wasn't mentioned at all since the takeover in 2008 until his team suddenly looked like they had a chance of winning the league.. It's not fair, it's not fair , they're owned by a country, they can spend what they want, £50M on fullbacks and they've about 6 of them.. Yawn, Yawn, Yawn.. You've not got a bad team, you've won a few games, You're top of the league after 6 games (only 32 left) but what you know and we all know on this forum is that we are just that little bit better.
Enjoy the ride... Hope I've not stressed anyone out!

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

I'll try and be as humble as possible with this post as I seem to have had a couple pulled on this thread which to be honest in my opinion were not aggressive, just football banter really. Anyway I've not been posting long and I don't want to upset the resident Mod.. I've been a City fan since the early 70's. many on here for a lot longer. We are all passionate about our club and I for one am sick and tired of having our club's name rubbished by opposing fans who are allowed to post on here and are afforded plenty of slack to spout their crap.. It's funny how the human rites stick that our guest Mr Start2Finish is waving about wasn't mentioned at all since the takeover in 2008 until his team suddenly looked like they had a chance of winning the league.. It's not fair, it's not fair , they're owned by a country, they can spend what they want, £50M on fullbacks and they've about 6 of them.. Yawn, Yawn, Yawn.. You've not got a bad team, you've won a few games, You're top of the league after 6 games (only 32 left) but what you know and we all know on this forum is that we are just that little bit better.
Enjoy the ride... Hope I've not stressed anyone out!

Please consider me stressed ;-)

 

[bondsman]

Klavan cost €5m as a 4th choice centre back, played 39 games over the course of just over 2 seasons and was sold for £2m with the emergence of Gomez.

Grujic was signed for £5.1m at age 21 and has since been on loan. Estimates of value in summer range from £25-40m

Solanke cost £3m and was sold 18 months later for £18m.

None of these 3 can be argued as being a waste of money at all.

The other 3 are more debatable.

Keita cost around £55m and so far has been under whelming. Injuries cost him when he finally looked to be settling into place, but with many years left in his contract, and with the talent he has, he remains a question mark in terms of value.

Shaqiri cost £13.5m and has had limited game time as back up to the front 3, although did score the winners against united. Again, given the limited fee and the intended role as backup, I would argue he has been neutral in terms of value. Neither best, nor a waste.

Karius on the other hand....... An unmitigated disaster. Leaving aside his performance in the CL final, which may or may not have been affected by concussion, he was poor throughout most of the season and never convincing. In fairness he was considered to be the 2nd best keeper in the bundesliga before we signed him, for £4.75m, but still, a total disaster and waste of money.

If these are the worst signings of klopp that you can think of, particularly in light of the successes, I can rest easily with that.

None of them could hold down a starting berth tbf so irrespective of what they were sold for they were mistakes or wastes aren’t they?

 

[bondsman]

The total cost of all the players you've listed there, bar Keita, is £25m. and I'm excluding him because he's the only player who we've bought as a potential starter, and still are hopeful of him coming good.

Klavan cost £2m ffs :D

So you exclude Keita cos it’s convenient? Okay. Klopp bought em all and none were good enough so that seems wasteful/poor business.

Tbf I was just responding to a post suggesting Klopp hasn’t had failings in the transfer market.

 

[squirtyflower]

Klavan cost €5m as a 4th choice centre back, played 39 games over the course of just over 2 seasons and was sold for £2m with the emergence of Gomez.

Grujic was signed for £5.1m at age 21 and has since been on loan. Estimates of value in summer range from £25-40m

Solanke cost £3m and was sold 18 months later for £18m.

None of these 3 can be argued as being a waste of money at all.

The other 3 are more debatable.

Keita cost around £55m and so far has been under whelming. Injuries cost him when he finally looked to be settling into place, but with many years left in his contract, and with the talent he has, he remains a question mark in terms of value.

Shaqiri cost £13.5m and has had limited game time as back up to the front 3, although did score the winners against united. Again, given the limited fee and the intended role as backup, I would argue he has been neutral in terms of value. Neither best, nor a waste.

Karius on the other hand....... An unmitigated disaster. Leaving aside his performance in the CL final, which may or may not have been affected by concussion, he was poor throughout most of the season and never convincing. In fairness he was considered to be the 2nd best keeper in the bundesliga before we signed him, for £4.75m, but still, a total disaster and waste of money.

If these are the worst signings of klopp that you can think of, particularly in light of the successes, I can rest easily with that.

Liverpool, a capitalist’s dream....

 

[jrb]

Klopp wins FIFA Manager of the year,

I’ll leave it at that.

 

[bondsman]

Klopp wins FIFA Manager of the year,

I’ll leave it at that.

Bombed out of domestic cups
Lost a 9 point lead in Jan
Didn’t win an away game in group stages

Yep I see why he won that

 

[kaz7]

Klopp wins FIFA Manager of the year,

I’ll leave it at that.

Haha of course he did,pep didn't even bother going