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That’s exactly what the last Labour government did and it was the best government in my lifetime, and I’m 49.

Apparently they were neoliberals and therefore bad.

And all those people who benefited from working families tax credits, they weren’t really better off, they were just manipulated into feeling that way by having more money.
 
Apparently they were neoliberals and therefore bad.

And all those people who benefited from working families tax credits, they weren’t really better off, they were just manipulated into feeling that way by having more money.
I thought the groupthink zombie cliche is that Blair is a “war criminal”, and you can therefore ignore the 10 years of economic prosperity and public service improvement.
 
I see your point she looks a bit rough, but it doesn't help when you're installing a pole dancers pole in your flat and letting someone take pictures of you on it.
What a complete Bonehead using taxpayers money to help out his bit of stuff.
This might be the first and I won't be the last that we will hear about Johnson spaffing public money away for his own personal gains.
And around 4,000 miles away an orange gimp smiles and says "that's ma boy!!"
 
You mean those the government is responsible for? The Education system for one has been squeezed relentlessly for years and even if the promised £20bn funding from Johnson materialises it only takes the system roughly back to where it was before austerity, it's the same for the police and the 20,000 extra officers, after around 26,000 were culled during austerity.

Of course. That's what austerity means. I wonder what some people thought when they were told - repeatedly and clearly told - that austerity would mean cut backs and "tough choices".

That austerity was contentious and unpopular with many, I get. No-one goes a bomb on pain do they. But the electorate voted for it, in 2010, 2015 and 2017. That's what happens under our democratic system.. Sometimes you get what you want, others not.
 
But your's is not some theoretical fantasy.

It is a view evidenced by the continual success of capitalist economies, in very stark contrast to the abject failure of pretty much every hard left socialist economy over the last 100 years.

That the likes of Rascal *continue* to fail to recognise this, really beggars belief.

The world is changing Chippy .... most routine jobs will soon become automated.... decisions will (if the answer to two plus two always equals 4) be managed by AI..... Capitalism cannot survive if there are no people with sufficient surplus income to purchase the goods.

My local ASDA has installed another two self serve checkouts .... sorry i meant laid another 5 people off. its happening everywhere .
 
I thought he came across far better in the second episode.

Just watched it and said I would get back to you.

To hear him talk so lovingly about his disabled kid just makes it even more bewildering that he allowed his government to be so cruel and heartless towards other people with disabled kids. He clearly did not understand the effects the bedroom tax would have on families with disabled kids, he clearly did not understand that cutting welfare for the disabled would cause so much hardship. He made the poorest pay with his reckless approach to needless austerity and he never had a fucking clue how hard it made life for people who were not like him. All in it together remember, get fucked we were not, those with the least suffered the most whilst he bombed Libya.

I am sorry mate, but he is a total ****. I have zero feelings for the bastard, he knew what he was doing and I think he enjoyed doing it.
 
The world is changing Chippy .... most routine jobs will soon become automated.... decisions will (if the answer to two plus two always equals 4) be managed by AI..... Capitalism cannot survive if there are no people with sufficient surplus income to purchase the goods.

My local ASDA has installed another two self serve checkouts .... sorry i meant laid another 5 people off. its happening everywhere .

Agreed. But countries cannot do anything about it acting alone because we live in a connected, competitive world. If we unilaterally choose to pay people more and employ more people then our goods and services will be more expensive and why would another country buy them? Indeed why would our own country buy them?

So until we have a worldwide consensus on this, and pretty reasonable coordination and normalisation of pay levels globally, across the major continents including Africa, then we are stuck with it the way it is.

My guess is capitalism has another 100 years left in it. And whilst that's the case, we'd better live with it and deal with it.

Going for socialism "early" will just make us all poorer and put millions out of work as our uncompetitive businesses see sales falling and one by one, go under. As the world stands today, wealth creation needs a vibrant private sector and you don't get that by regulating and taxing the shit out of it. Funny that.
 
Agreed. But countries cannot do anything about it acting alone because we live in a connected, competitive world. If we unilaterally choose to pay people more and employ more people then our goods and services will be more expensive and why would another country buy them? Indeed why would our own country buy them?

So until we have a worldwide consensus on this, and pretty reasonable coordination and normalisation of pay levels globally, across the major continents including Africa, then we are stuck with it the way it is.

My guess is capitalism has another 100 years left in it. And whilst that's the case, we'd better live with it and deal with it.

Going for socialism "early" will just make us all poorer and put millions out of work as our uncompetitive businesses see sales falling and one by one, go under. As the world stands today, wealth creation needs a vibrant private sector and you don't get that by regulating and taxing the shit out of it. Funny that.

I know you don't want to engage with me, but look at post scarcity economic theory

Capitalism is doomed. Marx will be proven right.

He said

"The free development of individualities, and hence not the reduction of necessary labour time so as to posit surplus labour, but rather the general reduction of the necessary labour of society to a minimum, which then corresponds to the artistic, scientific etc. development of the individuals in the time set free, and with the means created, for all of them"
 
Of course. That's what austerity means. I wonder what some people thought when they were told - repeatedly and clearly told - that austerity would mean cut backs and "tough choices".

That austerity was contentious and unpopular with many, I get. No-one goes a bomb on pain do they. But the electorate voted for it, in 2010, 2015 and 2017. That's what happens under our democratic system.. Sometimes you get what you want, others not.

Bollocks austerity was not a tough choice is was an easy one a political choice to reduce the state to a rump and put all the blame of what happened in 2008 on the poor. There were other options that could have been take a look at Portugal https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/02/how-portugal-came-back-from-the-brink.html

The electors also voted in 2016 and that is exactly why we are where we are with Brexit because in that vote they didn't have the archaic selection process of winning seat in first past the post. Now we have our very own pound shop Trump who is doing his level best to destroy his party, and his country.
 
The world is changing Chippy .... most routine jobs will soon become automated.... decisions will (if the answer to two plus two always equals 4) be managed by AI..... Capitalism cannot survive if there are no people with sufficient surplus income to purchase the goods.

My local ASDA has installed another two self serve checkouts .... sorry i meant laid another 5 people off. its happening everywhere .

And we definitely do not want the Tories in charge when this starts to get worse.
 
Agreed. But countries cannot do anything about it acting alone because we live in a connected, competitive world. If we unilaterally choose to pay people more and employ more people then our goods and services will be more expensive and why would another country buy them? Indeed why would our own country buy them?

So until we have a worldwide consensus on this, and pretty reasonable coordination and normalisation of pay levels globally, across the major continents including Africa, then we are stuck with it the way it is.

My guess is capitalism has another 100 years left in it. And whilst that's the case, we'd better live with it and deal with it.

Going for socialism "early" will just make us all poorer and put millions out of work as our uncompetitive businesses see sales falling and one by one, go under. As the world stands today, wealth creation needs a vibrant private sector and you don't get that by regulating and taxing the shit out of it. Funny that.
A suggestion, and I know is a pretty radical position, but as opposed to going full blown socialism, maybe get those companies at the forefront of the technological advances to actually pay some fucking tax. That would be a great starting position.
 
A suggestion, and I know is a pretty radical position, but as opposed to going full blown socialism, maybe get those companies at the forefront of the technological advances to actually pay some fucking tax. That would be a great starting position.





This is the size of the problem....
 
Very interesting take on all this decision on what now for Johnson But, curiously, the ruling has little effect on how Britain will or will not leave the EU. The prime minister was already in a worse position on Brexit than I think most people realised. This decision simply welds shut the metal box in which he is trapped. His only way out is to pass a deal through parliament by 19 October - the date in the law passed before prorogation to prevent a no-deal Brexit.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...is-johnson-europe-eu-parliament-a9118011.html

The prospect of him getting a deal through are somewhere between zero. The opposition will quite happily sit tight and watch Johnson squirm by asking for an extension from the EU and then have a GE to gain the maximum amount of political capital. Johnson's best hope would be for the 21 he sacked to hold their noses and put him out of his misery by doing a vote of no confidence and forming a government of national unity. To put things in a nutshell he is FUCKED.
 

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