The Conservative Party

blueinsa said:
Thought it was quite honest tbf and the poster it was intended for certainly didn't think so or at least i hope he didn't?

Apologies if he did.
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My mistake. Just shows it's so easily confused in text.
He did however put (genuine question) after his comments. I thought that was a giveaway.
 
Fuck me can you believe these hypocritical Labour cunts. Jess Phillips going on about offensive language when she commented about stabbing people for supporting Corbyn.

Don't get me started on John Mcdonnel who has been making jokes about murdering Tories his whole political career.

Are people really buying this faux outrage?
 
The perfect fumble said:
How did my post suggesting that structure in the armed services may not based solely on merit, morph in to an accusation that your attitudes are informed by your deference to authority, born out of your service?

Most of the ex service people I worked with were more outspoken than I was, they suffered fools very badly, regardless of position, it got them in to trouble more than once, but they were bloody good at what they did, and were genuinely well liked, so they got away with it most of the time.

I believe we are shaped by our experiences, but we're not trapped by them.
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I’d like to think I am the same. Even though I say it myself I am a natural born leader who spent over 20 years in logistics and went from the warehouse to Operations Manager for a large firm. I did that by being good at what I did and by taking my team along with me. Never by authority unless it was needed but by them wanting to get the job done and well.

Got bored, lost my first marriage because of the lack of life/work balance and fucked it off to take a step back and relax for a while and rebuild my life.

That aside I’ve done all sorts from shop fitting to making animal feed in South Africa to driving HGV. Anything to pay the bills.

I now run 2 small businesses, one which will remain small, the other we hope will go big, hopefully very big fingers crossed.

I’m not trapped by anyone or anything, least of all party loyalty. I’m done with it as it gets you nowhere.

Currently everything in here is seen through the prism of brexit. If you voted leave you are a right winger, remain and you are to the left. I don’t buy it and will say so. Brexit crosses all political boundaries for many, myself included and even more so if you are not trapped imo.

We have a pint tomorrow and we get on like a house on fire, almost guaranteed. Even Rascal yet in here it’s open warfare. It is what it is unfortunately and I don’t see it changing which is sad to be honest but we are all big boys, all have our own opinions and the anonymity of the web allows us to be pretty fucking rude with each other when normally in life it would never get that far.

You mentioned meritocracy hence my reply btw. I am no ones shill or puppet, least of all any of the useless so called politicians and leaders we have sat in Parliament and I find myself rallying against what I feel is hypocrisy in here far more than I do policy.
 
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greasedupdeafguy said:
Fuck me can you believe these hypocritical Labour cunts. Jess Phillips going on about offensive language when she commented about stabbing people for supporting Corbyn.

Don't get me started on John Mcdonnel who has been making jokes about murdering Tories his whole political career.

Are people really buying this faux outrage?
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I’m afraid I don’t buy it either.

That said they all need to pack it in but until they do yet point the finger I’m afraid I can’t buy into it.

All as bad as each other and for once in a long time I agree with Bercow who slated the lot of them today.
 
No recess for the Tory Party Conf now - played 7 - lost 7 ( Gove called him the Pep of politics - he's not even the OGS of politics ffs ) he was around 20 votes short. Where could he have expected to have picked say.... 20 votes up from? Oh know - he withdrew the whip from his majority didn't he.
 
bluethrunthru said:
No recess for the Tory Party Conf now - played 7 - lost 7 ( Gove called him the Pep of politics - he's not even the OGS of politics ffs ) he was around 20 votes short. Where could he have expected to have picked say.... 20 votes up from? Oh know - he withdrew the whip from his majority didn't he.
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To be honest I don’t think he gave a stuff about losing commons votes, Supreme Court decisions etc. All he’s bothered about is picking up BXP votes, and they don’t view this like everyone else.
 
cibaman said:
To be honest I don’t think he gave a stuff about losing commons votes, Supreme Court decisions etc. All he’s bothered about is picking up BXP votes, and they don’t view this like everyone else.
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I made the observation a few months ago that the Tories were deeply screwed and in danger of not only a wipe out at the next GE, but actually a real existential threat which could result in the break up of the party.

In think what I said back then was essentially true in that the Tory party faces losing vast swathes of support to the BXP, and with it MPs, unless it delivers Brexit. Or at the very, very least is seen to be trying do absolutely everything possible to deliver it, thereby shifting all blame to other parties standing in the way. Even that may not be enough.

From where the Tories are, with their party high-jacked by a right wing 80 year olds shouting "out, out, out", I don't think he had any choice but to try this one last ditch effort to save the party from obliteration.

Of course what I had not fully factored in, is the extent to which Corbyn would seek to make Labour as unelectable as possible, thereby providing the Tories with at least a crumb of hope. Thank-you Jeremy, I am eternally grateful for your toxic stupidity.
 
bluethrunthru said:
No recess for the Tory Party Conf now - played 7 - lost 7 ( Gove called him the Pep of politics - he's not even the OGS of politics ffs ) he was around 20 votes short. Where could he have expected to have picked say.... 20 votes up from? Oh know - he withdrew the whip from his majority didn't he.
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Watford want to know if there will be any more votes this week...
 
Chris in London said:
It wasn't a debate, mate. I'm not prepared to waste my time discussing the issue with somebody who thinks that the MPs who have received death threats were somehow asking for it.
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Cool story, but that isn’t what I said and it isn’t what I think. For clarity, I in no way support or condone the sending of death threats to anyone.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I made the observation a few months ago that the Tories were deeply screwed and in danger of not only a wipe out at the next GE, but actually a real existential threat which could result in the break up of the party.

In think what I said back then was essentially true in that the Tory party faces losing vast swathes of support to the BXP, and with it MPs, unless it delivers Brexit. Or at the very, very least is seen to be trying do absolutely everything possible to deliver it, thereby shifting all blame to other parties standing in the way. Even that may not be enough.

From where the Tories are, with their party high-jacked by a right wing 80 year olds shouting "out, out, out", I don't think he had any choice but to try this one last ditch effort to save the party from obliteration.

Of course what I had not fully factored in, is the extent to which Corbyn would seek to make Labour as unelectable as possible, thereby providing the Tories with at least a crumb of hope. Thank-you Jeremy, I am eternally grateful for your toxic stupidity.
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Genuine question mate, because I think you’re a good poster. Who would you vote for in an election tomorrow?
 
greasedupdeafguy said:
Fuck me can you believe these hypocritical Labour cunts. Jess Phillips going on about offensive language when she commented about stabbing people for supporting Corbyn.

Don't get me started on John Mcdonnel who has been making jokes about murdering Tories his whole political career.

Are people really buying this faux outrage?
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Not buying it just using it for political gain, surrender humbug oh no the shame, the cruelty of it all, surprised we haven’t seen a fake labour faint yet. Expect a Lib Dem politician to be pictured holding a baybee any time now.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Genuine question mate, because I think you’re a good poster. Who would you vote for in an election tomorrow?
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Sorry to disappoint you Dave but it would have to be for Boris.

I know that sounds bonkers, but I genuinely fear the damage Corbyn & McDonnell could do, and tempting though it might be to vote LibDem, that could let Corbyn in through the side door.

My hope would be that an empowered Boris with nothing to prove, would deliver a watered-down, workable Brexit which although bad we'd survive. Plus, as I've said above, I just can't see this whole thing blowing over ever, unless we leave. Even another referendum (assuming Remain won, which is likely but not a given IMO) would not put it to bed. And I am sick of it - we need to move on one way or another, we can't stay in limbo like this forever.

FWIW, I also think that once we've left, we'll very soon be talking about rejoining. Our ultimate destiny is within the EU, I am sure of that.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Sorry to disappoint you Dave but it would have to be for Boris.

I know that sounds bonkers, but I genuinely fear the damage Corbyn & McDonnell could do, and tempting though it might be to vote LibDem, that could let Corbyn in through the side door.

My hope would be that an empowered Boris with nothing to prove, would deliver a watered-down, workable Brexit which although bad we'd survive. Plus, as I've said above, I just can't see this whole thing blowing over ever, unless we leave. Even another referendum (assuming Remain won, which is likely but not a given IMO) would not put it to bed. And I am sick of it - we need to move on one way or another, we can't stay in limbo like this forever.

FWIW, I also think that once we've left, we'll very soon be talking about rejoining. Our ultimate destiny is within the EU, I am sure of that.
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You’ve let me down, you’ve let Remain down, but most of all...you’ve let yourself down ;-)

Totally agree with your last point with a massive caviat: it’s still IF we leave, not WHEN, so although it will cost me, I will lend Corbyn my vote for the cause.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Sorry to disappoint you Dave but it would have to be for Boris.

I know that sounds bonkers, but I genuinely fear the damage Corbyn & McDonnell could do, and tempting though it might be to vote LibDem, that could let Corbyn in through the side door.

My hope would be that an empowered Boris with nothing to prove, would deliver a watered-down, workable Brexit which although bad we'd survive. Plus, as I've said above, I just can't see this whole thing blowing over ever, unless we leave. Even another referendum (assuming Remain won, which is likely but not a given IMO) would not put it to bed. And I am sick of it - we need to move on one way or another, we can't stay in limbo like this forever.

FWIW, I also think that once we've left, we'll very soon be talking about rejoining. Our ultimate destiny is within the EU, I am sure of that.
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Each to their own, but the damage Corbyn would do could be repaired relatively quickly. Leaving would damage us in ways it would take generations to fix.
 
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