But Parliament is sovereign, and if it decides they are, then they are. Removing the right of referendum then, is clearly not the problem, it's how Parliament responds to such referendums.I’m not disagreeing with that but I think we need to rethink referendums as a part of what parliament should enact, it’s quite clearly this one has been one big fuck up and has almost ripped apart our constitution.
What it’s done is make a topic less than 10% of the population thought was an issue, the number one issue.
We’re a representative democracy and therefore governments shouldn’t enact referendums on such key issues.
Parliament would decide that.Or not to hold one. A much better idea. IMO.
But Parliament is sovereign, and if it decides they are, then they are. Removing the right of referendum then, is clearly not the problem, it's how Parliament responds to such referendums.
Which is fine, but do you agree with the idea of removing the right of referendum from citizens?Yes, which was very predictable and part of the reason why I personally never like them.
Which is fine, but do you agree with the idea of removing the right of referendum from citizens?
Sounds like envy to me.Seriously what point are you making here?
She earns a good salary?
So?
*waits patiently...*No, apologies if I’ve missed something but I didn’t realise anyone was arguing that.
I'm not fussed about whether we have the right to ask for them or not. So long as we don't have any, I'd be happy.Parliament would decide that.
Removing the right for citizens to ask for Parliament to hold one would change nothing.
So there we go.I'm not fussed about whether we have the right to ask for them or not. So long as we don't have any, I'd be happy.
Well I came in halfway through to be fair. If the right to hold them was removed, I'd be fine with that as well. I am not bothered, so long as we don't have any more.So there we go.
We disagree on whether referendums are useful/effective/needed, but agree that the right to hold them should not be removed. That's been my only concern whenever I hear people saying referendums should be stopped. It's our right.
5 pages that took.
It wasn't binding; the Tory Government saw the result as a national directive and vowed to carry it forward. They went to the nation again in a GE and it still returned that half the electorate still supported the decision to leave the EU, as one of their pledges was to get brexit done, as did Labour, except their vision for leaving was different.
The topic here is about removing referendums being a good Idea; i'm saying it's hypocritical to suggest refs are wrong on the basis (excuse) that sometimes the public doesn't know enough about the topic to make a decision, so we should remove them, yet when it comes to choosing an MP to form Parliament, the public is 100% trusted to have made the right decision.
It was a huge opinion poll, and the Conservative Government made it one of their policies based on the result and the number of people supporting it.
Do you want to stop referendums or stop referendums being enacted by Parliament? As I say, I cannot see the Scots or the Northern Irish being too happy at referendums being removed.
And in fairness, my initial response was to this statement by NevilleK who stated:Well I came in halfway through to be fair. If the right to hold them was removed, I'd be fine with that as well. I am not bothered, so long as we don't have any more.
Good question.
The answer: there was no majority asking for the first one, we were just told it would happen. Both Bozo & Farage suggest a 2nd one should be involved, so that's the leaders of both Brexit Parties.
After this next one.
LET'S NOT HAVE ANY MORE, EVER ABOUT ANYTHING.
Disagree with your first paragraph, the public presumed Brexit would just happen and both main parties said they’d implement the referendum result. Brexit wasn’t the main voting intention in 2017 as remain was dead.
Their vision was different at that point and Labour’s proposal is a slightly different Customs arrangement to May’s.
It’s not just the public aren’t informed enough, they often aren’t but the problem is then implementing the results of referendums via parliament, if parliament disagrees on the best course forward.
I anticipate Scotland to have the same issues if they vote to leave, they’ll soon realise it’s a bad idea and there won’t be the clear direction on what their relationship with us should be.
Peter Hitchens, long life Eurosceptic and leave supporter said that he was fundamentally against the referendum and believes a party should have put out a clear manifesto on how they would leave and been elected on that basis.
A referendum maybe should be used if it’s the only way to do something.
Peter Hitchens, long life Eurosceptic and leave supporter said that he was fundamentally against the referendum and believes a party should have put out a clear manifesto on how they would leave and been elected on that basis.
I'm with Neville on this one. A unique statement if ever there was one!And in fairness, my initial response was to this statement by NevilleK who stated:
I simply said that to me, "that's not very democratic". You can hate refs, fail to see their importance or significance, but advocating we never have one again? Not down for that. I also couldn't fail to see the hypocrisy that once we hold a final ever referendum on leaving the EU, we should never have any more.
I'd laugh at what the suggestion should be if the result was exactly the same... "okay... so we hold ONE MORE referendum and THEN not have any more!"
Hitchens can have his opinion, he's not an authority on the issue, is he. You're throwing one person's opinion at me. It means nothing.Disagree with your first paragraph, the public presumed Brexit would just happen and both main parties said they’d implement the referendum result. Brexit wasn’t the main voting intention in 2017 as remain was dead.
Their vision was different at that point and Labour’s proposal is a slightly different Customs arrangement to May’s.
It’s not just the public aren’t informed enough, they often aren’t but the problem is then implementing the results of referendums via parliament, if parliament disagrees on the best course forward.
I anticipate Scotland to have the same issues if they vote to leave, they’ll soon realise it’s a bad idea and there won’t be the clear direction on what their relationship with us should be.
Peter Hitchens, long life Eurosceptic and leave supporter said that he was fundamentally against the referendum and believes a party should have put out a clear manifesto on how they would leave and been elected on that basis.
A referendum maybe should be used if it’s the only way to do something.
And I disagreed.I'm with Neville on this one. A unique statement if ever there was one!
It's not our right at all, there is nothing anywhere saying you have a right to a referendum on anything. You may think it should be a right your entitled to think that, but it isn't a right, and has nothing to do with a country being democratic or not.Read my pots to Chippy and Melton; my arguement is that, whatever you may think of refs, not having them isn't democratic; it's our right.
I'd love to see the Government that decides to remove the option.It's not our right at all, there is nothing anywhere saying you have a right to a referendum on anything. You may think it should be a right your entitled to think that, but it isn't a right, and has nothing to do with a country being democratic or not.
"...a party should have put out a clear manifesto on how they would leave and been elected on that basis..."Disagree with your first paragraph, the public presumed Brexit would just happen and both main parties said they’d implement the referendum result. Brexit wasn’t the main voting intention in 2017 as remain was dead.
Their vision was different at that point and Labour’s proposal is a slightly different Customs arrangement to May’s.
It’s not just the public aren’t informed enough, they often aren’t but the problem is then implementing the results of referendums via parliament, if parliament disagrees on the best course forward.
I anticipate Scotland to have the same issues if they vote to leave, they’ll soon realise it’s a bad idea and there won’t be the clear direction on what their relationship with us should be.
Peter Hitchens, long life Eurosceptic and leave supporter said that he was fundamentally against the referendum and believes a party should have put out a clear manifesto on how they would leave and been elected on that basis.
A referendum maybe should be used if it’s the only way to do something.