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Well it’s either going to be a deal or extension and as a deal isn’t happening anytime soon then it’s going to be an extension. Big question is for how long.
31 Jan seems to be the favourite.

The EU have previously said that they would only grant an extension for a specific purpose, a referendum or election. But, when Johnson is forced to ask for an election, presumably he will not tell them what the next steps are. Partly out of bloody mindedness, partly because he will not know.
 
Boris is working feverishly to get a deal or else he's toast. It's folly to believe otherwise IMO.

And who is the "they" you refer to? 40 of the 75 ERG members backed May's deal as we can see from the stats quoted above.

Or are you going to have another of your daft conspiracy theories about why they voted for something to hide their real objectives?

By the way, I am delighted enough people voted against May's deal. It was a *terrible* deal. There's almost zero I agree with Farage about, but even he said he'd rather Remain than that.


Whose Boris?
 
Yes.
Watched that.
We’re pretty convinced over here that Boris is disingenuous.
Unless parliament stops it, it’s No Deal and whatever that entails.

It’s not going to be anything good.
All that discussion covered was '...….we want the full backstop - and we want it to not have any constraints such as by time...….'

Do you hear anything over there that would represent a proposal other than 'we want it all' - because the UK could not possibly sign-up to that (and I mean Parliament not May) as it would be shockingly bad for the UK's interests.

All UK citizens that have the UK's interests as a priority should be opposed to that arrangement.

Is there no argument over there that if Ireland insist on 100% of what they want and expect all the compromise to come from the UK then they are acting with intransigence?
 
31 Jan seems to be the favourite.

The EU have previously said that they would only grant an extension for a specific purpose, a referendum or election. But, when Johnson is forced to ask for an election, presumably he will not tell them what the next steps are. Partly out of bloody mindedness, partly because he will not know.
It's going to be 29 March...
 
All that discussion covered was '...….we want the full backstop - and we want it to not have any constraints such as by time...….'

Do you hear anything over there that would represent a proposal other than 'we want it all' - because the UK could not possibly sign-up to that (and I mean Parliament not May) as it would be shockingly bad for the UK's interests.

All UK citizens that have the UK's interests as a priority should be opposed to that arrangement.

Is there no argument over there that if Ireland insist on 100% of what they want and expect all the compromise to come from the UK then they are acting with intransigence?
The UK leaving is not 100% of what they want. Our leaving at all is a compromise with what they want.

That applies both sides of the border.
 
Oh God ....... they've wheeled James (Notso) Cleverly out this morning on the BBC




This is considered by the Tories to be the 'best' they've got...........Give me strength
Now on "Today". He doesn't know what the proposals are. Johnson is going to the EU with proposals that the DUP has approved but the Cabinet hasn't seen let alone agreed.

"A small team"? Cummings and Stephen Barclay and Frost?
 
That is pure rewriting of the facts or just making it up

I am no supporter of Davis but he and the other SoSs were undermined by May having Robbins work directly to her

To suggest that it was all part of a cunning plan is - well bollocks

He wasn't doing anything. Just treading water, waiting for no deal. They were waiting for him to come up.with proposals, over in Europe & he just didn't even turn up for half the meetings.

Meanwhile they were consolidating their position. If he had & his ilk had chased those 'concessions' immediately, they may have got some whilst the EU ( not the most efficient of organisations) got their shit together.

Instead, he did fuck all & the so called 'threat' of no deal, is the only plan the ERG have ever offered the public here.

But it should be remembered, that the original job, was given to one of their representatives who did fuck all.

That's why May took over.

Now the same people are claiming to have a 'new' deal better than May's.

Let's see it.
 
The UK leaving is not 100% of what they want. Our leaving at all is a compromise with what they want.

That applies both sides of the border.
Sorry - that does not make sense in the context of the post you replied to

The presumption is that the UK is Leaving and the 100% is the demand of Ireland to see the UK agree to the 'full' backstop or equivalent - something no UK citizen that has the UK's interests as a priority should be supporting
 
Bless - I just tell the truth of it

The truth of it is - and always has been - that the majority of abuse flows from Remain supporting posters towards Leave supporting posters. Just look at it today - you, BJ, WDB, Vic, BJon and others throwing abuse at me

I noticed when catching up from being a few days behind that the pack had singled out @Mëtal Bikër

It is what you guys do - I just put it down to your paucity of content and the fact that some of you and just rude and abusive by nature

I have seen claims that it goes both ways - those claims are generally always made by those that wish to suggest there is a level of balance when that is in fact not the case - aka its bollocks

What is the 'abuse' that I used against said poster during that exchange ?
 
Now on "Today". He doesn't know what the proposals are. Johnson is going to the EU with proposals that the DUP has approved but the Cabinet hasn't seen let alone agreed.

"A small team"? Cummings and Stephen Barclay and Frost?
Sounds sensible - everything seems to get leaked so quickly and completely it will be essential to exercise tight controls
 
You need to learn to read properly - I did not say you had hurled abuse at @Mëtal Bikër - mind you if you have not he must be seen as a special case

Well what is your problem then ?

He has been going on about his 'plan' of signing up to a Scandinavian style deal, which he sees as a 'compromise'.

Millions of leave voters absolutely do not see that as a 'compromise'.

He is happy to chuck them under the bus, referring to Farage's supporters in particular, but has been going on about 'democracy' for several years.

It would be no different, to Farage's mob than 'undemocratic' people such as myself, cancelling it.

You see strong arguments against a p.o.v. as people 'ganging up' & bullying. That is your lack of awareness & victim mentality kicking in.

I am happy to take on any 20 of you at the same time, on a point like that, no problem.
 
Sorry - that does not make sense in the context of the post you replied to

The presumption is that the UK is Leaving and the 100% is the demand of Ireland to see the UK agree to the 'full' backstop or equivalent - something no UK citizen that has the UK's interests as a priority should be supporting



The same could be said about leaving the Eu.
 
That's my point exactly, mate. I'm mad as fire already at the charlatans who've lied their way to Brexit, and I'm utterly frustrated at those who they've conned. But if it does happen, and it's still a big if in my opinion, then the "told you so" resentment from those of us who could see it for what it was will be unlike anything this country has ever seen.

Leavers love to threaten riots, and their threats have currency because the type of person who riots is usually a Brexiteer. But riots aren't really the biggest problem: they'll be over in a week. The young are going to turn against the old if we do leave the EU because of the suffering which we will all feel. And I'll be on their side.

An identifying badge will make it easier for you Dave and possibly a ghetto in which we can all be housed?
 
The take it or leave it phase.

What a fucking pantomime !

Johnson playing to his base who are unable to see through his lies.

I recon it's a two way thing with at least half of them.

He & his buddies tell a load of lies, at least half their supporters cheer it on, knowing it's a load of absolute fucking shite, because they just want their team in power & don't care, but their support then persuades the true, super morons, that it's real & they support it too.
 
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