Var debate 2019/20

[BringBackSwales]

The third one is confirm that the ref is blind in one eye, and the fourth is to confirm that he is fulfilling the task that his masters at Uefa have given him!!

Cheers Dave

 

[stonerblue]

On TV -
The Sterling one was a foul but I thought outside of the area, so a free kick not a pen
The Gundogan incident was a forearm to the face, so yes a pen
The Aguero one just after, the defender clearly gets the ball, so no pen.

Do you mean the Aguero one where the defender took out both his legs?

 

[Gazza]

Do you mean the Aguero one where the defender took out both his legs?

From one angle it looks like he took his legs (edge of the box view) but from another angle (from the goal line near the incident) he looks like he got the ball cleanly.

 

[smevchenko]

On TV -
The Sterling one was a foul but I thought outside of the area, so a free kick not a pen
The Gundogan incident was a forearm to the face, so yes a pen
The Aguero one just after, the defender clearly gets the ball, so no pen.

Sterling challenge, defender got the ball

 

[Gazza]

Sterling challenge, defender got the ball

It just goes to show that we all see what we want to see - no wonder VAR is a farce.

 

[hammocity]

I think there's definitely a subconscious bias against us domestically and in Europe.

Refs also know that the fallout and public criticism if they make a bad decision against us doesn't come close to what they cop when they make a decision for us or against one of the history teams.

But I don't know why the club or supporters should just accept it. We should be bitter until it stops. It costs us money, games and potentially trophies.

Fuck them. Their job is to get it right for all teams.

I agree with some of your sentiments but it will stop when they fuck us over and the job is complete in their eyes

 

[smevchenko]

It just goes to show that we all see what we want to see - no wonder VAR is a farce.

Indeed, I felt he got the ball, but others will think he took the man first, or came in from behind. VAR will never solve challenges like this, as it is clearly subjective. I was quite happy to whinge about the odd offside injustice etc before VAR, and would much rather go back to that after VAR. Having seen other countries use VAR to look again at penalty incidents, whereby the ref would go and look at a monitor, I fell that should be the way it is used. Yes, you get the odd delay, and decisions across the league will not be consistent, but surely everyone would prefer the ref having another look, and then making a decision, rather than a faceless person in a room somewhere making it.

 

[blueinsa]

Handball nailed on penalty.

Sterling was a decent tackle when reviewed and i wouldnt have given it.

Gundog was rugby tackled, penalty and Kun had his foot stood on so penalty.

 

[franksinatra]

That’s bullshit, we had two onside goals rules out for offside. Not of of my Liverpool fan mates have disagreed with that.

It was not particularly well written but the point was where we complain of decisions going against us other fans would also view incidents against us and feel aggrieved. But agree not the same incidents

 

[Tommy_Catons_Perm]

The ref was poor for both sides, do you really think all Officials area told to screw City by UEFA? If this was endemic at some stage an ex referee would be able to sell his story for a lot of money. It doesn’t happen.

However it’s probably a general attitude amongst a lot involved with Uefa that we have scant regard for the competition, that will have a sub conscious effect on their decisions.

Eg, was that a penalty for City? Fuck em, they don’t like us, no, was that a penalty for Barca, course it was, they embrace the CL.

I understand the history of the contempt for the European governing body but are we going to remain so bitter for ever? It will cost us in the long run.

The referee was poor for both sides. Ok agreed. Why do you think VAR as not even used to review the clear handball by a zagreb defender in the first half? It is universally agreed that it was a clear penalty. The ball went out for a goal kick, so ample opportunity for a review. Seven officials did not see the handball either, I wonder why not?

 

[MillionMilesAway]

I thought the two shouts for penaltys on Gundogan & Silva were debatable and could go either way.

I didn't see the handball one whilst at the game, as it was down the other end, and i wasn't even aware it had happened until i saw the highlights when i got home, but having seen it and given what penaltys were given for last year in this competiton i can't understand why it wasn't given. Was it picked up straight away on TV, and did they offer any explanation as to why it wasn't given?

I was certain the one on Aguero was a penalty when it happened, and was very surprised it wasn't given by VAR. On the highlights it still looked like a stonewall penalty, the ref gave a corner, but on the replay i saw it looked like Aguero was fouled and had the last touch before it went out of play, did they say why that hadn't been given on the Commentary?

Savage was adamant they were both penalties.
Humphreys in the studio was too.
Walton (ex-ref) also agreed and couldn't offer any explanation why VAR didn't overturn either.

Walton thought Gundogan looked and stepped into the defender just before the Aguero challenge, and therefore the ref's decision on that was supportable.

 

[blueparsman]

The only good thing was the pundits etc at least called VaR out last night. Even Walton did not try to justify it

 

[gingerprince]

What seems strange to me is that pigmol were supposedly given an ultimatum preseason to ref VAR same as CL rules

Obviously pigmol didnt agree and they have their own pigmol rules for PL, eg not referring ref to pitchside monitors and

having the infamous high bar, eg VAR siding with ref on subjective penalty given or not given so in effect VAR in PL will

agree with ref if he gives it or doesnt give it LOL. Pigmol having their own wider silhouette for defensive handball situations.

Have the CL now decided to VAR review on pigmol high bar? as the handball last night would undoubtedly have been given by CL VAR team last season, certainly from the knockout stages onwards? and the VAR team not instructing ref to review pitchside at least one of the other penalty claims seems to follow pigmol advice?

 

[Scaring Europe to Death]

Had to laugh whilst touring Pendennis Castle in Falmouth a few weeks ago.

Apparently, their recent jousting competitions have been so tainted in controversy that the Castle has had to introduce VAR technology.

Not sure if accidentally beheading your opponent is classed as a clear and obvious error.

 

[kaz7]

Why does anyone bother with the usual suspects,they get off on it

 

[Machiavelli]

Handball nailed on penalty.

Sterling was a decent tackle when reviewed and i wouldnt have given it.

Gundog was rugby tackled, penalty and Kun had his foot stood on so penalty.

Whilst waiting for the ball to come out of the air Gundo looked for the opposition player and proceeded to back up into him to initiate the contact.
The other two definitely should’ve been penalties.

 

[blueinsa]

Whilst waiting for the ball to come out of the air Gundo looked for the opposition player and proceeded to back up into him to initiate the contact.
The other two definitely should’ve been penalties.

You are Peter Walton and i claim my £5.

 

[Machiavelli]

You are Peter Walton and i claim my £5.

So you’ve seen the incident again and still claim it was a penalty?
We run the risk of looking silly if we claim non-penalties should’ve been given. Gundo went looking for the player and I didn’t need Walton to tell me that, same goes for the one on Raz and the one on Silva - I’m pretty sure there were loads of posts in the match day thread saying they should’ve been given as well.

 

[Chi-town blues]

Perfect coordination between ref and var . This is their weapon of choice .

 

[blueinsa]

So you’ve seen the incident again and still claim it was a penalty?
We run the risk of looking silly if we claim non-penalties should’ve been given. Gundo went looking for the player and I didn’t need Walton to tell me that, same goes for the one on Raz and the one on Silva - I’m pretty sure there were loads of posts in the match day thread saying they should’ve been given as well.

Penalty all day long as the defender goes for the ball, doesnt get anywhere near it and lands on top of and brings Gundog down.

Its a foul anywhere else on the pitch so in the box its a penalty.