Var debate 2019/20

Last night they said at the ground var in involved in 4 types of decisions. Unfortunately the kids were arguing at the time so I didn’t hear it. I know one is to screw City over at every opportunity, and one was to give every possible benefit to our opponents, but did anyone hear the other 2?
 
Performances like the officials gave us last night is why I can’t be arsed with the champions league. This seasons campaign will be a mirror image of the last two, shit teams who City can get past even with the poor reffing then them using it as a leveller against us when the decent teams enter in the knock outs.
Overall, I don’t think that PL refs are any better
 
I don't believe that, I just think that if UEFA wanted us out of the CL they would have made our passage to the knockout stage far, far more difficult. By giving us this group, even without getting VAR decisions, we're virtually guaranteed to top.

When it comes to knockout stages and these decisions go against us, my tune will change but right now, it just doesn't make any sense despite how frustrating it is.


And how would they make our group tough without getting rid of seeding which they can't because the cartel wants seeding to make the group stages a meaningless money spinning pile of bollocks that it is? So in your view they ditch that and give us Barca, Munich, Junventus as an example group, over 6 games they need a hell of lot of dodgy decisions to prevent us qualifying and then 2 of the favoured cartel clubs lose out of a shit load of cash.

If the corruption aspect is only that the bookies make us favourites being the best team in the competition they still clean up regardless of who wins and its much easier to fuck a team over in a one off tie than 6 games.
 
That wasn’t even fucking subtle last night. Just seems they apply the rules whichever way they need to to rob us. I’ve never really bought into this agenda thing and didn’t want to think the game was corrupt, but I’m struggling to find any other explanation.

We will 100% go out again in a tight game where we get stuffed.
 
Did BT make any comments about the decisions that went against us last night?
BT almost said it how it is. They said just the seven officials missed the handball penalty claim in the first half and that they don't understand why VAR did not award what was a clear pen on Aguero.

Peter Walton said he could not sit here and defend the use of VAR tonight.

I think the media is suspicious now that something is not quite right...
 
No I was just saying if they are corrupt, they would have the wherewithal to manipulate the groups so why would they be so favourable towards us

Edit: By corrupt, I am referring to match fixing abilities. I don't doubt there is corruption within that organisation.
The only explanation for the bizarre VAR decisions last night is corruption. There may not be a coordinated screw city campaign, or if there was, if has become diluted or confused such that not every corrupt official is following the same policy. But surely groups of individuals within UEFA are following a screw city policy..?
 
Last night they said at the ground var in involved in 4 types of decisions. Unfortunately the kids were arguing at the time so I didn’t hear it. I know one is to screw City over at every opportunity, and one was to give every possible benefit to our opponents, but did anyone hear the other 2?

The third one is confirm that the ref is blind in one eye, and the fourth is to confirm that he is fulfilling the task that his masters at Uefa have given him!!
 
They are mate but as were seeing, and not only in City games, this is not how the technology is being used. Totally frustrating and rendered the technology pointless.

and as evidence of that look at the Shaktar v Atalanta match, I was fuming about the referee tonight. talking about never going again etc and then I came home and saw that farce of a penalty call that VAR refused to overturn. It is not just us that gets shafted, it is the way they all stick together so as not to show one of their own up.
 
The third one is confirm that the ref is blind in one eye, and the fourth is to confirm that he is fulfilling the task that his masters at Uefa have given him!!
The ref was poor for both sides, do you really think all Officials area told to screw City by UEFA? If this was endemic at some stage an ex referee would be able to sell his story for a lot of money. It doesn’t happen.

However it’s probably a general attitude amongst a lot involved with Uefa that we have scant regard for the competition, that will have a sub conscious effect on their decisions.

Eg, was that a penalty for City? Fuck em, they don’t like us, no, was that a penalty for Barca, course it was, they embrace the CL.

I understand the history of the contempt for the European governing body but are we going to remain so bitter for ever? It will cost us in the long run.
 
Couldn't really see the penalty shouts from the South stand, were they really as clear cut as people are suggesting? BT youtube highlights only show the one on Gundogan in their youtube highlights.
 
to be honest, yesterday morning I've read UEFA's statement that only clear and obvious errors on offsides will be called by VAR. That's up there with Sterling or one Spurs had s Leicester, it's not clear and obvious and that statement came earlier than this situation.

It looks like the Bruges player's foot is off the ground, which makes it look further upfield than it is as well.
Generally, I agree, that still proves nothing.
 
Not only have Uefa brought in a set of 'new' rules to protect the cartel in which they can harvest debts of billions (if you added them all together) but any interlopers into their closed shop (namely us) cannot put their own money in.

Not only have Uefa systematically f*cked us over in pretty much every single season we have been in the Champions League including changing the handball rule on the spot and allowing one of those pointless linesman behind the goal to award a penalty against us (something I'd never seen before or have since) with countless other instances that are too many to mention.

Not only have Uefa have rabidly pursued us in effort to subdue us or get us thrown out of their bent competition at every single turn including reopening an already dealt with case due to the say so of a soon to be convicted criminal and quite obvious pressure from the cartel.

Yet some people still believe there is no real reason to suggest they are out to get us. The perception of some people is either f*cked or they are just wum's with f*ck better to do.

One thing I've learnt in this world is if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck & quacks like a duck it's a f*cking duck. Some on here would have you believe it's a duck billed Platypus.

Ignore them, it's a f*cking duck!
 
I thought the two shouts for penaltys on Gundogan & Silva were debatable and could go either way.

I didn't see the handball one whilst at the game, as it was down the other end, and i wasn't even aware it had happened until i saw the highlights when i got home, but having seen it and given what penaltys were given for last year in this competiton i can't understand why it wasn't given. Was it picked up straight away on TV, and did they offer any explanation as to why it wasn't given?

I was certain the one on Aguero was a penalty when it happened, and was very surprised it wasn't given by VAR. On the highlights it still looked like a stonewall penalty, the ref gave a corner, but on the replay i saw it looked like Aguero was fouled and had the last touch before it went out of play, did they say why that hadn't been given on the Commentary?
 
Did BT make any comments about the decisions that went against us last night?
Watched the full match on BT when I got in. To be fair the pundits, even Peter Walton, slaughtered the ref and the VAR team. The handball and the foul on Sergio were clear penalties. The Sergio decison was totally absurd. The replay showed a stonewall penalty. The presenter made the point that seven officials had apparently missed it. Even Chris Sutton said we had been robbed.
 
The ref was poor for both sides, do you really think all Officials area told to screw City by UEFA? If this was endemic at some stage an ex referee would be able to sell his story for a lot of money. It doesn’t happen.

However it’s probably a general attitude amongst a lot involved with Uefa that we have scant regard for the competition, that will have a sub conscious effect on their decisions.

Eg, was that a penalty for City? Fuck em, they don’t like us, no, was that a penalty for Barca, course it was, they embrace the CL.

I understand the history of the contempt for the European governing body but are we going to remain so bitter for ever? It will cost us in the long run.
I think there's definitely a subconscious bias against us domestically and in Europe.

Refs also know that the fallout and public criticism if they make a bad decision against us doesn't come close to what they cop when they make a decision for us or against one of the history teams.

But I don't know why the club or supporters should just accept it. We should be bitter until it stops. It costs us money, games and potentially trophies.

Fuck them. Their job is to get it right for all teams.
 
Couldn't really see the penalty shouts from the South stand, were they really as clear cut as people are suggesting? BT youtube highlights only show the one on Gundogan in their youtube highlights.
On TV -
The Sterling one was a foul but I thought outside of the area, so a free kick not a pen
The Gundogan incident was a forearm to the face, so yes a pen
The Aguero one just after, the defender clearly gets the ball, so no pen.
 

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