Another new Brexit thread

[joe123]

I dont see any hypocrisy in his post.

I see committed remainers, not posters against no deal brexit, committed remainers who have said they want us to revoke sucking on lemons almost at the positive news that came out yesterday.

Each to their own I suppose but the fact is we do know some detail and that is those important and involved are now publicly stating they can see a path to a deal.

what detail mate? i haven't seen any but might not be looking in the right places.

 

[mcfc1632]

twatting the UK economy doesn’t sound like much of a win tho.

I just answered the question that you asked - it was a very clear and I would suggest obvious answer

Your opinion on the economy is your opinion

 

[meltonblue]

OH - fuck - Tusk just making a statement - rowing back from his statement of last week that 'today was the deadline' and mentioning that there is movement......

I really do hope to see many posts admitting people were wrong to, some simply in their obstinance, nit to recognise the truth of the statement:

"We will not see movement from the EU unless and until they face the prospect of a viable No-Deal option - and the political will to use it."

We are all blues - therefore people of good character - so I am sure that there will be a lot of manning-up and admissions of having been wrong.

None of us know yet what the real detail is, but if what the Irish papers are saying are true about the concessions, then the deal is very similar to one proposed by the EU right at the start of this process.

Personally I don’t trust any briefings about any of it until the actual detail comes out though.

I do think it’s time people moved on from wanting to be proved right though (and I say that of everyone).

 

[yerwot?]

The Telegraph begs to differ. The price of Brexit is NI. The best way to monitor Govt thinking on Brexit is check out the Telegraph.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...eland-burden-rest-uk-cant-let-get-way-brexit/

the limbo dance by the msm is reaching new lows...to think the torygraph is now lower than the dailyheil, out-lying the s@n, down down, deeper and down.

 

[blueinsa]

what detail mate? i haven't seen any but might not be looking in the right places.

I was clear enough in that last sentence.

 

[mcfc1632]

you are confused , surely you voted for 3 and half years of bollox and abuse :)

Ha ha - I really didn't - nowadays I just see that as the cost of choosing to undertake missionary work;-)

 

[BobKowalski]

I dont see any hypocrisy in his post.

I see committed remainers, not posters against no deal brexit, committed remainers who have said they want us to revoke sucking on lemons almost at the positive news that came out yesterday.

Each to their own I suppose but the fact is we do know some detail and that is those important and involved are now publicly stating they can see a path to a deal.

I have done nothing but report ‘detail’ since last night and you just dismissed it :)

 

[blueinsa]

I have done nothing but report ‘detail’ since last night and you just dismissed it :)

No you have repeated media sources guessing.

The leaks have finally stopped it seems and about time from both sides.

Again and for clarity, the detail we all know is that those involved and important which is not the editor of the Irish Times of the Telegraph are telling us that there is a path to a deal before the 31st October.

Im going to celebrate that positive news.

 

[joe123]

I was clear enough in that last sentence.

ha, so we don't know any detail about the deal then. wasn't being chippy, i just wondered if you'd seen something on the deal itself, not just that they can see a path to one.

 

[George Hannah]

You're totally misreading the situation mate.
The offer from the EU of a Canada deal option with a NI hive off has always been on the table.
Nothing to do with threatening no deal, the offer has always been there, it's just that Mavis wouldn't accept it.
It's a shit deal from an economic viewpoint but that's been forgotten now.

I think point is Len, the legendary 'offer' you claim has been there for the taking for three years never actually made it into the legal text of a Withdrawal Treaty. If it had you can be assured that the current backstop sabotage clause would have been inserted to kill any chance of a HoC passage. That is why there is a collective holding of breath as the various parties now weigh their vital economic interests against the reality of No Deal. They are belatedly engaged in explaining how 'encouraging the return of terrorism' was really just about recognising the technical difference between a 'customs declaration' and a customs 'check'.

 

[dave_blue12]

The 'deal' will be May's deal tied up with a ribbon.

Posturing and bluster are the order of the day and every day where Brexit is concerned.

 

[George Hannah]

Desire?? You do realise that the respective Acts of Union were more or less imposed on Scotland and Ireland by England, using a mix of bribery, unrepresentative Parliaments and the implicit threat of military force - yet you wonder why there is a significant lack of desire for the Union in NI and Scotland?

But do you realise that's a continuation of the the same process by which Scotland, Ireland and Wales came into being as well? Let's hope we've just repelled the latest attempt at further unification though.

 

[BobKowalski]

No you have repeated media sources guessing.

The leaks have finally stopped it seems and about time from both sides.

Again and for clarity, the detail we all know is that those involved and important which is not the editor of the Irish Times of the Telegraph are telling us that there is a path to a deal before the 31st October.

Im going to celebrate that positive news.

We all have mate. And this isn’t sources guessing. It’s people being briefed. Seriously the Telegraph will tell you exactly what the direction of travel is and when they suddenly start printing articles about NI being a burden and this burden can’t get in the way of Brexit you know damn well the ground is being prepared for the DUP to check out the underside of the Brexit bus.

A deal between the EU and U.K. is possible as long as one side shifts. Always has been and if the U.K. accepts a sea border then the EU will cover everything else in fudge but only if they can get all this in a legally operable text and that is going to be the tricky bit. That and getting this ratified through Parliament and any ratification will be (in my opinion) subject to some sort of referendum if only in NI.

 

[M18CTID]

It really is quite pathetic but utterly predictable that the remain brigade and Corbyn worshippers on here are slagging off the results of the meeting between Veradkar and Johnson without even know what they are!

To be fair, there are plenty of Remainers on here who are accepting of us leaving with a deal, and were upbeat about yesterday's meeting. I get the impression, however, that a few others would rather see Brexit turn out to be an unmitigated disaster than a success so they can come on here and say "I told you so". In a bizarre way, you could argue that they actually want No Deal to happen because it increases the likelihood of them being proven right. Hence why they were conspicuous by their absence last night following the positive noises coming out of the meeting between Johnson and Varadkar.

 

[Vic]

That is what shocks me on here - has Varadkar not been dick-waving - and enjoying himself very much in the public glare of doing it - for 3 years?

Too many are quick to be content with the UK being demeaned and its interests damaged - but should anyone stand up for the UK...…….

So even if you "win" you're having a blame game?

 

[mcfc1632]

Hammond suggesting a quickfire holding deal. We have a treaty with the EU to be in a customs area to match the CU until such time as we're ready to do our own deals and then we annul the treaty.

No point sticking out for freedom to do our own deals for little gain at the expense of the damage of no deal (for which there is no mandate and no popular support).

Can't see it flying really.

But there you have it - the commonsense of:

"We will not see movement from the EU unless and until they face the prospect of a viable No-Deal option - and the political will to use it."

Is just a general piece of commonsense and does not only pertain to the EU

 

[BobKowalski]

But there you have it - the commonsense of:

"We will not see movement from the EU unless and until they face the prospect of a viable No-Deal option - and the political will to use it."

Is just a general piece of commonsense and does not only pertain to the EU

*cough* Benn Act.

 

[mcfc1632]

What Boris deal is this? The one that’s not a deal because the EU rejected it?

I don’t agree that the EU will move when faced with a no deal.

Bump

 

[mcfc1632]

*cough* Benn Act.

Yeah - even with that surrender act being there to give the EU confidence that the UK will be undermined from within - it seems that just the sheer potential for No-Deal to happen might have been too much for the EU and Ireland

Just think what could have happened if Westminster was not dominated by sycophants?

 

[George Hannah]

We all have mate. And this isn’t sources guessing. It’s people being briefed. Seriously the Telegraph will tell you exactly what the direction of travel is and when they suddenly start printing articles about NI being a burden and this burden can’t get in the way of Brexit you know damn well the ground is being prepared for the DUP to check out the underside of the Brexit bus.

A deal between the EU and U.K. is possible as long as one side shifts. Always has been and if the U.K. accepts a sea border then the EU will cover everything else in fudge but only if they can get all this in a legally operable text and that is going to be the tricky bit. That and getting this ratified through Parliament and any ratification will be (in my opinion) subject to some sort of referendum if only in NI.

I've often thought how undemocratic media paywalls are - here's the 'free' Telegraph route finder just now

Brexit lifeline: Back to Brussels as deadline for deal looms
The talks were upbeat - but were they enough to bring a last-minute Brexit breakthrough? After Boris Johnson and Leo Varadkar declared they could see a "pathway to a deal", the chance of securing a withdrawal agreement appeared to rise. Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay is holding key discussions with chief EU negotiator Michel Barnier over a working breakfast today. As Anna Mikhailova reports, they look likely to give the clearest indication of whether there has been a significant thawing of relations between London and Europe after a week of abrupt exchanges. Speculation of a possible compromise on the Northern Ireland border backstop is rife. Peter Foster has a handy reminder of why it is such a contentious issue. And Christopher Hope has clarity on the week's events in the latest edition of Chopper's Brexit Podcast - this week featuring Priti Patel.

Meanwhile, an exclusive poll published by The Telegraph shows that a failure to leave the EU by October 31 with or without a deal would result in Mr Johnson struggling to win a general election majority. The ComRes survey shows any delay (even if it leads to a no-deal Brexit immediately after an election) or Brexit being cancelled would leave a hung Parliament. Follow latest election odds here.