Another new Brexit thread

[lancs blue]

Are we out yet, or what?

I think we're at the "shake it all about" bit just now.

 

[Coatigan]

Of all the fallacies that were ventilated before the referendum, that leaving the EU would be straightforward was surely the most foolish.

How would that ever be possible?

Whoever it was that used the spaghetti metaphor painted a vivid picture. it's like trying to separate single individal strands and any sauce off them, from a big tangled up bowl, without making any mess.

Even if it Was simple, still a daft idea in the first place. Immeasurable self damage, by choice. With absolutely nothing good to gain out of it other than some outdated nostalgic rhetorical concept.

 

[Rascal]

Was “balderdash” the word of the day in Socialist Worker or in the Remainer annual?

It wouldn't be in both, the SWP generally support BREXIT as do a lot of people who are further to the left on the political spectrum. Historically socialists have always been anti-EU, given that the EU is essentially a capitalist protectionist cabal this is unsurprising.
I am not a Socialist Workers Party supporter, they are a bit too right wing for me, but at least there is a consistency in the world view.

 

[mcfc1632]

Lol. A man without a clue. The story of your last three years on this thread.

Bless - TBF - I appreciate the last day or so must have been hard for you

Over 3 years - and 100s of posts - setting yourself up as the 'Go to' person for Bluemoon Remainers needing to know what to think and say. You have become for them the next best thing after James O'Brien.

The hours you have put in to promote yourself as the Oracle and there you have it...………..

Events change and the reality crashes in to prove that you are just another person with a Twitter account that knows how to cut and paste

 

[mcfc1632]

am talking about team remain not you , unless you are in talks with tusk? But there have been many instances of high profile people butting in and doing their country no favours whatsoever .

I am sure Tony Blair would have appreciated forner pms butting in and leaking info to iraq !!!

The fact that things are not immediately being leaked for me is a sign that this time things may be different

 

[mcfc1632]

Thats for parliament to decide but i think they are sat there thinking if we vote a deal down that is acceptable to the government, Ireland and the EU then they can expect the flak that will be directed towards them and with a GE imminent it might not be the wisest thing to do.

I would like to see a GE take place whilst the deal is being 'refined'

Obviously the Conservatives would campaign on it being accepted and the LibDems would have to stick with Revoke.

The Labour stance would be interesting - I think that they would have to switch to accepting the deal - meaning that there would be Pro-Leave majority returned?

 

[lust overlord]

I would like to see a GE take place whilst the deal is being 'refined'

Obviously the Conservatives would campaign on it being accepted and the LibDems would have to stick with Revoke.

The Labour stance would be interesting - I think that they would have to switch to accepting the deal - meaning that there would be Pro-Leave majority returned?

I'd imagine there would still be lots of mps saying one thing and doing the opposite.
That's one of the main reasons were in this mess to start with.

 

[mcfc1632]

you saying it over and over again doesn't necessarily make it true.

No it certainly does not

An objective assessment of the facts on the other hand does

 

[mcfc1632]

Boggles my mind how you and G.H come to this conclusion. it really does.

Simple facts do seem to make your mind boggle

Try objective assessment of them - it might clear your head

 

[west didsblue]

yeah cos it’s not grandstanding and perfectly diplomatic to say

there is a special place in hell for leave voters

Except he didn’t.

The quote was there’s a special place in hell for Brexit promoters without a plan.

Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

But then it was bound to be rewritten by those Brexit promoters for consumption by the gullible.

 

[Vic]

The fact that things are not immediately being leaked for me is a sign that this time things may be different

Yep. All the objections and opposition from within the Tory party will have to wait for the secrecy to be lifted.

 

[Coatigan]

Simple facts do seem to make you mind boggle

Try objective assessment of them - it might clear your head

Confusing facts and conclusions is a new low, even for you. You can't possibly be claiming that something that hasnt happened yet is a fact, surely.

 

[west didsblue]

You and the other (no-deal made it all possible) guy keep using the word 'genuine'
Brexit, or words to that effect? what does that represent to you? is the prospective deal currently mooted genuine to you?

It’s their get out of jail card when things go differently to what they expect.
If Brexit happens and Scotland secedes, expect squeals if “but it wasn’t a genuine Brexit”.

 

[Vic]

I would like to see a GE take place whilst the deal is being 'refined'

Obviously the Conservatives would campaign on it being accepted and the LibDems would have to stick with Revoke.

The Labour stance would be interesting - I think that they would have to switch to accepting the deal - meaning that there would be Pro-Leave majority returned?

To be for ever known as The Pig in a Poke election.

 

[George Hannah]

Boggles my mind how you and G.H come to this conclusion. it really does.

Let me try to help. In short, if there is a deal BoJo will be out of his ditch and the EU, SNP, Farage, Jezzer and the Lib Dems will all be in it instead. ;)

 

[Coatigan]

It’s their get out of jail card when things go differently to what they expect.
If Brexit happens and Scotland secedes, expect squeals if “but it wasn’t a genuine Brexit”.

Indeed, or if it happens before their arbitrary 2024 (because remember, 10 years seems fair, how generous of them).

 

[Vic]

Confusing facts and conclusions is a new low, even for you. You can't possibly be claiming that something that hasnt happened yet is a fact, surely.

How new to the thread are you?

A fact to him is whatever he says it is.

 

[Vic]

Bless - TBF - I appreciate the last day or so must have been hard for you

Over 3 years - and 100s of posts - setting yourself up as the 'Go to' person for Bluemoon Remainers needing to know what to think and say. You have become for them the next best thing after James O'Brien.

The hours you have put in to promote yourself as the Oracle and there you have it...………..

Events change and the reality crashes in to prove that you are just another person with a Twitter account that knows how to cut and paste

Wow. Such compliments from you are rare. Well done Bob.

 

[mcfc1632]

It never was true. "If we leave we will still be in a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border." No deal necessary. But it was never true. It was ... a lie. Not a pessimistic forecast. A blatant lie.

You admitted it.

So?

I am just commenting on the number of times you repeat it - obviously you feel the need to do so until the truth that it was a lie is accepted - I am just following your lead

 

[Saddleworth2]

No it certainly does not

An objective assessment of the facts on the other hand does

What you call facts are usually opinions, which sincerely held or not do not make them facts. You do seem to blur the lines between the two on a very consistent basis to construct your rhetoric. You are, like Johnson, consistent with your play book though, I will give you that.