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blueinsa said:
Law of the land says the government had to present the legal text of a deal and they have now done that.

What you going to court for again?
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I've already explained.

Section 55 of the Trade Act 2018 prohibits any part of the UK being treated differently from any other for trade/regulatory framework.

Therefore Johnson will be bringing an unlawful agreement before Parliament as NI is treated differently in the agreement.

Inconvenient I know but it is the law as enacted by our sovereign Parliament.
 
dave_blue12 said:
.... nothing will be Johnson's fault and the gullible will swallow it.
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dave_blue12 said:
I've already explained.

Section 55 of the Trade Act 2018 prohibits any part of the UK being treated differently from any other for trade/regulatory framework.

Therefore Johnson will be bringing an unlawful agreement before Parliament as NI is treated differently in the agreement.

Inconvenient I know but it is the law as enacted by our sovereign Parliament.
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Yet here you are every other post fretting about a no deal brexit still.

What is it dave?

Confidence in your QC or shitting bricks?

Of course the last few weeks have been all about how we must not have a no deal but as soon as a deal is presented, bang, its all about something else.

Its a funny watch and i can only imagine how busy your twitter feed is over this ;-)
 
BobKowalski said:
No. He has to defend it no matter what. This is Johnson’s Deal just as it was May’s Deal. He is stuck with it no matter what. He can’t disown it if it gets voted down. He has to campaign on it. There is no other choice.
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Correct - he has to back himself now. How can he say he wants no deal or try and push for a different deal when he has agreed a 'great deal' and put it to the house.

The Benn act has taken no deal of the table, another extension is highly likely, this is his least worst option. It was do this or fail to agree a deal and go all out no deal blaming the EU. He has made his pick and has to run with this now. It puts him up against Farage and the DUP and maybe even some of the ERG - but keeps the one nation lot on side.
 
blueinsa said:
Happy to have a confirmatory ref to decide how we leave so deal v no deal.

We have already established that we want to leave.
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That would be the only democratic option for the UK - should there be any need for a 2nd vote

But - not sure that most Remainers have been that interested in delivering against democratic decisions since 24/06/16
 
dave_blue12 said:
I believe the Benn Act requires a legal agreement to be brought before Parliament. It does not have to be passed.

The more I think about it the more I think that this is the game Johnson is playing.

He has given in on virtually everything on this deal. He doesn't want it to go through, he wants it to be rejected, he then gets the no deal he has been positioned to deliver.

This could well come down to the courts again to stop this devious plan.

If only Jacob hadn't drafted that amendment to the Taxation (Cross Border) Act 2018. ;-)
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Re Benn act, no, a deal has to either be approved by parliament, or a 'no deal' approved by parliament. Otherwise, extension.
 
blueinsa said:
Yet here you are every other post fretting about a no deal brexit still.

What is it dave?

Confidence in your QC or shitting bricks?

Of course the last few weeks have been all about how we must not have a no deal but as soon as a deal is presented, bang, its all about something else.

Its a funny watch and i can only imagine how busy your twitter feed is over this ;-)
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The two aren’t mutually exclusive. You can be against no deal and against this deal which let’s face it isn’t a deal it’s a divorce agreement in which we agreed to divy up the family silver and they got most of it including the right to run a trade and customs policy in what is UK sovereign territory. Personally I don’t have that much issue with the WA Mark II but people in NI do and people in Scotland and Wales will and that is going to cause problems down the line and people can point this out.
 
mcfc1632 said:
That would be the only democratic option for the UK - should there be any need for a 2nd vote

But - not sure that most Remainers have been that interested in delivering against democratic decisions since 24/06/16
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That's not democracy apparently. There needs to be two separate leave options vs remain so the leave vote is split and remain can win.
 
Just saw Johnson and Juncker's statements

Just for a second...….

I thought that Juncker was going to say that he was going to commend the WA to the EU27 - and also that if it was accepted it would be a situation where no extension would be offered to the UK if it was rejected at Westminster.

Not sure why that thought came to mind - but it would be an excellent outcome for the UK.

Just wondered if there was any possibility that there was some 'agreement' between Johnson and the EU about future relations or agreements on security etc.

Anyway - it was just a fanciful moment - but made me pause for a few seconds.
 
hilts said:
He had a sudden change of heart like with antisemitism. He saw the light. Luckily it coincides with getting more votes.

Praise the Lord praise the poll's
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What's hilarious is that you have staunch Remainers on here wanking off over Corbyn despite the fact he's been anti-EU for decades, and has voted against the EU on numerous occasions, yet the public get one chance to vote on something EU related (ok, twice if you happen to be old enough) and the same posters denounce them as being thick or whatever for daring to vote the same way Corbyn has been voting since the 1970's!
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Single issue clowns. Not worth considering what they think as it's a given they'll vote against anything except revoke/another referendum unless it's leave + another indy ref for them.
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If I was Johnson I would offer the SNP a vote before the end of the next parliament if they were to support a GE.
 
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