Another new Brexit thread

[bluethrunthru]

So good even Mr Johnson himself said no prime minister should ever negotiate such a deal

Ha ha ha - his Brexit suicide cult will over look anything as long as he "gets it done" - by that I mean commits us to a decade of financial difficulty whilst we negotiate trade deals and still end up worse off than we would have been.
I expect the deal to fail in Parliament - I also expect there will be a failed effort to get a "peoples vote" nailed on to it too - then Johnson will use that to try and get no extension so we can crash out on the 31st.
I also expect shortly afterwards that NISSAN will announce no new investment in Washington as a result of Brexit - PSA to announce Ellesmere Port will close as a result of Brexit along with a clutch of other damaging announcements in very short order.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

Ha ha ha - his Brexit suicide cult will over look anything as long as he "gets it done" - by that I mean commits us to a decade of financial difficulty whilst we negotiate trade deals and still end up worse off than we would have been.
I expect the deal to fail in Parliament - I also expect there will be a failed effort to get a "peoples vote" nailed on to it too - then Johnson will use that to try and get no extension so we can crash out on the 31st.
I also expect shortly afterwards that NISSAN will announce no new investment in Washington as a result of Brexit - PSA to announce Ellesmere Port will close as a result of Brexit along with a clutch of other damaging announcements in very short order.

Posted this earlier but it's really a damning indictment on how destructive brexit has been on the country's economic muscle.
People ignore it though because of will of the people etc. It's a sad state of affairs because nothing will change the minds of people even though we now know the chance of us being "better off" was b.s made up by the leave campaign.

 

[blueinsa]

Can't beat the late night show this thread never fails to provide.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Can't beat the late night show this thread never fails to provide.

The secret ingredient is gear.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Posted this earlier but it's really a damning indictment on how destructive brexit has been on the country's economic muscle.
People ignore it though because of will of the people etc. It's a sad state of affairs because nothing will change the minds of people even though we now know the chance of us being "better off" was b.s made up by the leave campaign.

and from that list as I say you can also put a red cross through Vauxhall as PSA have made a number of announcements to that effect. Macron would love to get those jobs into France and as the French Govt are a large shareholder in PSA..............I have noticed all Vauxhall ads recently stress the brands Britishness... the Corsa is being loaded with goodies to sell them off... they are having a fire sale in preparation.

https://www.cheshire-live.co.uk/new...vauxhall-astra-production-could-move-16660854

 

[mcfc1632]

Fuck me you’re horrendous at understanding posts.

The Cabinet of May’s, in which Johnson was present, rejected this Irish Sea border proposal in 2016.

I know what they’ve done.

No credit must go to him, he’s just gone back to what was previously offered.

@Cheadle_hulmeBlue

Take comfort in the fact that you clearly understand more about things than this fella;-)

 

[Vic]

For fear of finding something worse?

It's a crap deal - BP thinks it's BRINO, Labour thinks it cuts through environmental and worker rights, ERG Tories and Boris were dead against this "Irish solution" but have massively backtracked (lying then or lying now?), SNP asks about losing fisheries to NI, etc etc. And no-one has a clue what future deals will be like. So this only gets through if Brexiters fear second referendum or revoke, and Labour MPs fear No Extension.

 

[Vic]

Not just them - but all truly UK patriots should

Just sod off with the treachery slurs.

 

[Vic]

Chisel. Definitely chisel.

Coming in on someone else's posts - are we talking about Johnson, as in "Johnson is a chiseller"?

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

@Cheadle_hulmeBlue

Take comfort in the fact that you clearly understand more about things than this fella;-)

Didn't seem like you understood that this deal is worse than Theresa May's either since you ignored the video I posted lmao

 

[Vic]

You are preaching to the hard of being willing to look in a mirror and 'fess up to being wrong

They all gave him absolutely no fucking chance whatsoever of achieving what has been achieved

And of course......

They now cannot bring themselves to 'fess up that they were wrong when he has achieved far more than they forecast could be achieved - so shallow

Personally I think Johnson is a bit/lot of a **** - I do not have a great deal of time for him

But, I can admit that he has achieved things that people gave him no chance of achieving

That so many on here cannot man up and do the same - IMO - speaks more about them than Johnson

FFS man up you guys

I bet you didn't think he'd agree a solution that he said no British government could agree to. Even allowing for his being a notorious liar, that's some achievement.

 

[BobKowalski]

It's a done deal NI does pretty well if they see it free trade with the EU and any and all future deals made by the UK include them.

It’s not about trade or economics for the DUP. If it had been they would have voted for May’s deal.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

Is the result of the vote on Saturday at 6 during the palace game?

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Is it right that the DUP can have a major say in this after the whopping big pay off they had to make the Tory govt float back a few years ago?

 

[west didsblue]

Just sod off with the treachery slurs.

To be accurate, it should have said “all little English patriots” because there’s nothing in it for the Scots, Welsh, Irish unionists and unblinkered English.

 

[Vic]

£33bn.
£13bn per year of transition + £7bn on conclusion of a deal.
I think we actually get back £4bn a year back from EU subsidies and other payments.

Pales into insignificance against the billions in lost growth (Treasury figures).

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Coming in on someone else's posts - are we talking about Johnson, as in "Johnson is a chiseller"?

tbh Vic, you don’t strike me as someone who has the same command of street vernacular as me or @George Hannah do.

 

[johnnytapia]

There-in lies the nub of the entire tragedy, the "country" is utterly riven. Right-wing ideology versus left-wing ideology in a death-dance, complicated by the city/village dichotomy, the young/old split and the fact the two parties of traditional politics are themselves in effect divided. Never been a worse time to take a gamble for such high stakes, brought about by stampeding parliament into a frantic chaotic shambles.
In fact, it mirrors how the ref. came about, a binary vote to solve multi-faceted problems that the electorate did not even know existed. FFS

35 million people ended up voting about an issue they never knew existed.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

Is it right that the DUP can have a major say in this after the whopping big pay off they had to make the Tory govt float back a few years ago?

Basically the deal needs 325 votes to pass.
You do the maths with the MPs but the DUP currently have 10 seats and if they all vote against it it's going to be tough for them to get it passed, though not impossible

 

[Vic]

Is the result of the vote on Saturday at 6 during the palace game?

2.30pm isn't it? Go to Parliament first then off to the game.