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George Hannah said:
If the vote is carried tomorrow we move on to the next stage as a third party country as far as the EU is concerned. The Remainers become Rejoiners with no route back except via the Eurozone. The no-deal consequences for a trade deal with the EU are moved forward by 14 months plus whatever extension is agreed but during that interval we are free to negotiate what other international deals we can allowing for 'most favourable etc' constraints and other impediments. The separatists are toast because their basic premise is fatally undermined, Catalonia tactics will not be supported. The EU is deeply wounded in economic terms unless they can persuade the richer countries to support the euro - Merkel has already said the German nett contribution will be revised down when we leave. Politically, their federal objectives will be seen to have been frustrated by other member states and those who do not share them will be encouraged.The DUP's denial of a simple democratic control over their participation does not represent the best future for NI, a united Ireland is demographically inevitable within a decade and this reality is reflected in the proposed deal. NI inside the UK customs territory for existing trade and new deals alongside seamless access to the EU is very important for them economically.
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We have been a third country as soon as we triggered A50. And what exactly do we want from these trade deals? What are our objectives? Our redlines? Which sectors of industry are we focusing on? How we will address the issue of Services which is 80% of our economy? How will these deals be negotiated without knowing exactly what our relationship with the EU will be? Will we adopt EU regulations, standards etc?

And if seamless access to the EU is very important economically for NI isn’t that true of Scotland, Wales and England?

Instead of fancy prose how about we start with hard facts and realities?
 
Corbyn advisor Seamus Milne has according to reports told staffers at Labour HQ he thinks the deal is being passed tomorrow.

I always thought enough Labour MP's would back a deal and is this is true it confirms what they probably know.
 
Everyone happy that the future of the country to be decided by a single vote, by politicians that have been shown to have a less than satisfactory regard for anything but their party's agenda,honesty and integrity.?
None of them will need to scrutinise the "deal", tories will always be tories, in any left v right vote, the opposition will chase crumbs like peasants under their master's table, and the rest and biggest part of the electorate, zombied into an induced apathy by the failure of worstminster to govern for the entire population, not just the puppet masters
 
The deal will pass. The pressure on the mp's that don't want a deal but feel the need to get it done will be too much. I can see 20+ Labour mp's voting for it.
 
blueinsa said:
Corbyn advisor Seamus Milne has according to reports told staffers at Labour HQ he thinks the deal is being passed tomorrow.

I always thought enough Labour MP's would back a deal and is this is true it confirms what they probably know.
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If you’re some back bench Labour MP, not involved in the publicity of it all, think Corbyn’s a bit of a prick but not strongly enough to do anything, you’re sick of this whole debacle, it must be incredibly hard not to just vote this through and have done with it.

I’m excited about it but also a bit nervous.

Stupidly I’m more nervous about City though, which I think sums me up.
 
BobKowalski said:
We have been a third country as soon as we triggered A50. And what exactly do we want from these trade deals? What are our objectives? Our redlines? Which sectors of industry are we focusing on? How we will address the issue of Services which is 80% of our economy? How will these deals be negotiated without knowing exactly what our relationship with the EU will be? Will we adopt EU regulations, standards etc?

And if seamless access to the EU is very important economically for NI isn’t that true of Scotland, Wales and England?

Instead of fancy prose how about we start with hard facts and realities?
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The whole point is not the beginning of the A50 process it is its conclusion. No going back if the deal passes tomorrow, if not it's No Deal or Revoke, with the latter sadly unimaginable now. The Tories want to ride the dragon of a free market future and many of our traditional sectors will not survive - even inside the EU their fate would be the same. Scotland and Wales would not be viable as independent countries outside the eurozone, NI inside as part of a united Ireland could be.
 
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bellbuzzer said:
Everyone happy that the future of the country to be decided by a single vote, by politicians that have been shown to have a less than satisfactory regard for anything but their party's agenda,honesty and integrity.?
None of them will need to scrutinise the "deal", tories will always be tories, in any left v right vote, the opposition will chase crumbs like peasants under their master's table, and the rest and biggest part of the electorate, zombied into an induced apathy by the failure of worstminster to govern for the entire population, not just the puppet masters
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Thats the was of democracy mate - the alternative would be to put it to a wider vote and we all know that undermines democracy lol
 
George Hannah said:
The whole point is not the beginning of the A50 process it is its conclusion. No going back if the deal passes tomorrow, if not it's No Deal or Revoke, with the latter sadly unimaginable now. The Tories want to ride the dragon of a free market future and many of our traditional sectors will not survive - even inside the EU their fate would be the same. Scotland and Wales would not be viable as independent countries outside the eurozone, NI as part of a united Ireland could be.
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Are you trying to sell Brexit? Kind of getting mixed messages. Not exactly seeing sunlit uplands here.

There are smaller independent countries than Scotland in the EU. I guess it’s a state of mind. Besides as we are often told Brexit is about independence not economics :)

But you do at least concede that the price so far of Brexit was NI. Wonder what the final bill will be?
 
Ban-jani said:
If you’re some back bench Labour MP, not involved in the publicity of it all, think Corbyn’s a bit of a prick but not strongly enough to do anything, you’re sick of this whole debacle, it must be incredibly hard not to just vote this through and have done with it.

I’m excited about it but also a bit nervous.

Stupidly I’m more nervous about City though, which I think sums me up.
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Momentum have said that any Labour MP backing the deal will be deselected and replaced by a socialist candidate.

The PLP who will vote for the deal hate Corbyn and dont give a stuff what Momentum think.

Still it will be open warfare.
 
bluethrunthru said:
According to Raab this is a great deal for NI as they have the benefit of frictionless trade with the EU.......................just think about that for a minute
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How anyone can have any faith in the complete and utter wankers running this country is beyond me.

I wouldn't trust them with the keys to my shed let alone the country.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Agree with you, but the boredom and frustration of the population is hardly the fault of Boris. Look to those who have sought to stall, delay or obstruct the brexit process if you want to hang that on someone.
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Think you can hang it on each and every one of them, including Johnson. The caliber of politician in the UK is currently very low, and that should be of the deepest concern for anyone interested in democracy and the future of the Union.
 
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